SETTLE DOWN

[blackdog]

why is it that after the first 2 or 3 races that the young birds seem to settle down and get a line of flight, could it be a lot of birds not trained up proper, y.b.s,  outcome these birds get lost then we enjoy better racing, lets have your thoughts please.

[THE FIFER]

I think now adays there is a lot of mass training as i call it, (not downing the people which put up those trainers) but if birds are being trained in batches of 2-3 hundred birds and homing to the same area, how many are using their own instinct and how many are just following the batch,  :-/

[Guest stb]

why is it that after the first 2 or 3 races that the young birds seem to settle down and get a line of flight, could it be a lot of birds not trained up proper, y.b.s,  outcome these birds get lost then we enjoy better racing, lets have your thoughts please.

think all the sickos and crap go and the better ones get left to get on and do what they do best. RACE. ;)

 

 

[THE FIFER]

think all the sickos and crap go and the better ones get left to get on and do what they do best. RACE. ;)

 

 

could be something in this as well, as we all breed too many youngsters now,

[JADE]

all down to experience i think and getting rid of the duffers

[Guest]

In my opinion three reasons

1) we all breed to many youngsters............  How many of us, 10 years ago, bred half the youngsters we do today and keep them in the same size loft     OVERCROWDING

2) Too much medication, which stops birds building up an immune system......NO NATURAL IMMUNITY

3) To many small splinter Clubs/Feds.........EQUALS CLASHING

[Guest stb]

In my opinion three reasons

1) we all breed to many youngsters............  How many of us, 10 years ago, bred half the youngsters we do today and keep them in the same size loft     OVERCROWDING

2) Too much medication, which stops birds building up an immune system......NO NATURAL IMMUNITY

3) To many small splinter Clubs/Feds.........EQUALS CLASHING

SICK BIRDS AND CRAP BOB ;)

 

 

[Guest bigjohnwadd]

Many lads now cut costs by not training,and throw the birds straight into races,i like the ideal of breeding later then forgoing youngbird racing,then trianing sept/august,even nov if nice weather,the skys empty save your own birds.

[Guest]

SICK BIRDS AND CRAP BOB ;)

 

 

In a nutshell ............... right mate............ but it's all down to the way we care/look after them these days........... pumped full of crap antibiotics/overcrowding

Choice Breed 20 end up with 12 good uns.................. breed 100 end up with 12............ 88 lost because they are drug addicts/stuffed for living space/

[Guest IB]

Racing must be a whole new experience to a YB. Think they must feel a bit like you or me starting any new job with work we've never done before, right strange to us first couple of times, but after we've done it 3/4 times, it becomes 'second nature'.

[Guest stb]

 

In a nutshell ............... right mate............ but it's all down to the way we care/look after them these days........... pumped full of crap antibiotics/overcrowding

Choice Breed 20 end up with 12 good uns.................. breed 100 end up with 12............ 88 lost because they are drug addicts/stuffed for living space/

Bob its amazing when you got a yb section with 40 birds and 70 perches and you loose a few they come into good form with the extra room. If you breed 80 they will cut themselves down anyway and its harder work to look after them properly ;)

 

 

[Guest]

Bob its amazing when you got a yb section with 40 birds and 70 perches and you loose a few they come into good form with the extra room. If you breed 80 they will cut themselves down anyway and its harder work to look after them properly ;)

 

 

Exactly what I am saying............... 20-30 years ago we bought rings in dozens now we buy them by the hundred....... and we all still have the same size set up............. BUT we ALL blame POB, YBS (which in my view is self inflicted,No immunity because of over use of medication, and overcrowding) and spending Good money on crap birds because they have a Belgian/Dutch ring on.................

We all need to wake up and smell the coffee....................

Fewer Clubs/Feds = fewer liberations = less clashing.

Fewer Birds = better accommodation = less chance of disease

Less Birds = less petrol retrieving lost crap in trianing/racing

[Guest stb]

 

Exactly what I am saying............... 20-30 years ago we bought rings in dozens now we buy them by the hundred....... and we all still have the same size set up............. BUT we ALL blame POB, YBS (which in my view is self inflicted,No immunity because of over use of medication, and overcrowding) and spending Good money on crap birds because they have a Belgian/Dutch ring on.................

We all need to wake up and smell the coffee....................

Fewer Clubs/Feds = fewer liberations = less clashing.

Fewer Birds = better accommodation = less chance of disease

Less Birds = less petrol retrieving lost crap in trianing/racing

your spot on bob

 

 

[just ask me]

have said it before average out what birds u have at the end of season lets say over the last 5 year and that roughly what your loft can hold  

 

i have a loft holds 40 max have put more into it numbers are not exactly correct but u will get my point   i have put 50 or a little more a number of times  and i end up with 35 to 40  the last 2or 3 year have put 40 in it and and i end up with 35 36  birds  i think this tells a story in its self

 

i think u are being a little unfair on foreign birds of course some crap and a lot of it has come from Holland Belgium and the likes  not everything bred this side of the world is world bethers either

 

but some fanastic birds have come too  what janssens van reets busharts  and many more have done for racing in this country is unreal remember Brian shepherds legend had the jos thone lines  and im sure the some of the fanicers that know a lot more about the distance  pigeons than i do would be able to tell u more about the lines and strains that are in the birds that have put up fantastic performances  in the international races

[Guest]

have said it before average out what birds u have at the end of season lets say over the last 5 year and that roughly what your loft can hold  

 

i have a loft holds 40 max have put more into it numbers are not exactly correct but u will get my point   i have put 50 or a little more a number of times  and i end up with 35 to 40  the last 2or 3 year have put 40 in it and and i end up with 35 36  birds  i think this tells a story in its self

 

i think u are being a little unfair on foreign birds of course some crap and a lot of it has come from Holland Belgium and the likes  not everything bred this side of the world is world bethers either

 

but some fanastic birds have come too  what janssens van reets busharts  and many more have done for racing in this country is unreal remember Brian shepherds legend had the jos thone lines  and im sure the some of the fanicers that know a lot more about the distance  pigeons than i do would be able to tell u more about the lines and strains that are in the birds that have put up fantastic performances  in the international races

 

The point I was making is that a lot of fanciers have tunnel vision when it comes to purchasing new stock and will buy birds from Belg/Holland just because it was bred by Mr "VAN" this or "VAN DER" that, and think they have bought the "The Dogs Gonads" when in fact they could probably acquire better birds from a British source. I am not suggesting that all imported birds are rubbish.

[Guest Owen]

Bob,

I am 100% behind what you are saying. I would like to add just the one thing though. The question for me is, why do Fanciers breed from everything in their lofts. They seem to do this regardless of how the birds have performed, if of course, they have ever been on the road at all. Have you ever read through the details of the sales advertised? I find it absolutely amazing that anyone would buy birds from these prettied up adverts. What most are telling you is that the bird concerned has never flown and has won nothing. What the dickens does anyone expect to breed from that sort of crap. Then of course in desperation, as you say, the Fanciers play the numbers game and live in hope that they may find a good bird somewhere in the multitude. Most of the time when they do, the bird will breed down to the family average and produce poorer birds than itself. I also think that when large numbers are bred in this way, they are not valued and looked after as they should be. Illnesses go unnoticed and routine medication is not delivered. And worse still there is no attempt by some to either wingstamp the birds and, worse still to reclaim any that are reported. All these things are doing great damage to our sport. Although, I have to say, I am not sure how to reverse the trend.

[joe61]

imo you need to be a stockman you look at what strain you want do your reserch on that strain then breed birds that conform to that strain as the man that was succesfull with them intended them to be because its a son of champion this or champion that you take it is going to be a champion racer or breeder but the person selling it because it does not conform to the strain so he wants to sell it instead of putting it in the bin when it breeds nothing you wonder why if you know what you are doing you should elimenate rubbish before it leaves the nest instead of coming out with a load of crap about let the basket sort them out you need STOCKMANSHIP

 

oh happy days

[swilcox]

Ive always belived that as the moult increses most ybs slow up which means they keep a better line, i noticed yesterday that my 30 darkness ybs home long before the naturals but off line then 20 minutes later the crazy gang turned up but bang on line!!!! Over the next week or 2 the Darkness ybs will pull clear as a bunch every saturday and leave moulting young birds behind.

 

Stuart

[johnny11]

Our fourth race of the season saturday gone and we experience the highest losses of the season so far up to 50% of well bred, raced and trained pigeons failing to home

 

John