hammond and whitteker grooters

[cheeseman]

does any body have any info on the grooters of h n w i saw a family of these in the seventies they were chocolate n white grizzles all the cocks were heavy wattled and the hens were long cast in my eyes ideal distance birds

 

[bewted]

i see them back in the 80`s,,,,beautiful birds,but,not heard of them since or anyone who has them,,,,if,they still exist anymore !!!

[Novice]

does any body have any info on the grooters of h n w i saw a family of these in the seventies they were chocolate n white grizzles all the cocks were heavy wattled and the hens were long cast in my eyes ideal distance birds

 

 

I think they came in all coluors and were reputed to be great long distance birds particularly when the going was tough.

I think I may have seen a small advert for them in the BHW recently.

 

[joe61]

i dont think you will get them here any more i had h&w grooters back in the early  70 from biil hammond out of chocolate soldier if you want pure grooters you might get them in belgium as mons grooters was belg some people seem to think that the chocolate in the old van den bosche cock of adriaan wouters may contain grooters some where along the way but its never been proved as far as i know so the nearest you will get togrooters could be the meulemans as they carry the chocolate genes

 

oh happy days

[jimmy white]

i used to have these many years ago,  i got 6 yb,s from j, williams,gilmerton ,  jim ,sadly deceased now, was very busy with his own bussiness , and with his father failing ,i did his birds for a year , my reward was,  as a lad of  16 years old , these 6 crossed hammond and whitiker grooters , one "the old meally" was the best pigeon i ever owned , this bird bred chocolates in allmost every round [the" old meally " su 63, 28228, was not your normal coloured meally , a rather dirty looking odd coloured bird , very large and with a bold head, this pigeon scored 9 times in races of over 500 miles ,right until the ripe old age of 9 y,o jim williams of gilmerton , off course among his many wins included 1st nat tours 608 miles in one of the hardest races ever, with very few making it home, many of jims pigeons were based on  hammond and whitiker grooters,, off course there was also beglin bros of bo,ness winning nantes nat 600+miles  with "high noon " this being a direct hammond and whiteker grooter

[OLDYELLOW]

wally pope had grooters yellows and chocolates he died good luck in your quest

[cheeseman]

thanks for your time folks much appreciated :)

[john@formula 1 lofts]

I brought some of these back in 1985 from a bereavement sale in Kent. we brought 6 5 direct from H&W birds. unfortunately we only got a short time with these as due to the gales of 1987 our stock loft was damaged and all birds were lost. but we did get have 1 cock that won well for us at the distance. and the guy we brought them from won many 500+ races. these were the iron and dark grizzels.

 

all the best

 

John

[Guest grizzler]

hi, does anyone still keep the grooter strain, or to be more precise chocolate grooters......the reason for asking is that my grandfather used to race them years ago and remember him talking about them when i was a kid...and was wondering if they still existed, any info much appreciated.

 

grizzler   :)

[PATTY BHOY]

The Grooters are the result of two distinct lines, namely, the “Vossen†of “De Roden†and “De Witkelen.†“ De Witkelen†or “White Throats†are so called because their ancestors showed this characteristic in their plumage; these are, in all respect, beautiful birds. In this line, the pupil is very clear and rather large. The mutual basic circle is generally easy to detect, and it surrounds the pupil perfectly; it is not very large, but is extremely neat and clear. The first circle of the iris shows itself in the form of a small net, while the second, which is rather large as compared to the first circle, is of a vivid red color. The beak is somewhat larger than average, but devoid of extensive wattles. The ceres are very slightly developed. The plumage is very rich, and super-abundant. The wing feathers are very wide. The dominant colors are satin-black, light and dark, and pieds.

 

[Guest grizzler]

thanks for the info patty bhoy,,, so do they still exist today??

[PATTY BHOY]

Here is a bird that served man in wars, the Franco – Prussian probably, WW I & WW II certainly and is recorded as having flown 600 miles on the day as recently as the 1970’s. My informants tell me the bird in its pure form is extinct in Belgium, perhaps has recently gone so in England with the shutdown of Hammond & Whittaker loft. And here is what we know of the birds in the North America. In Canada they are proposed as an extinct strain, but this is suspect information because the informant on this subject promotes another strain of the birds as the oldest racing birds left. I have no information on the Grooters of Mexico, but there is no reason to suspect they could not have survived there, it is simply unknown whether they have or not. There were pure Grooters in Cuba in the loft of a Mr Reyes in the late 40’s and this is one place it might be investigated and the old Grooters discovered with success because the Cubans still race and the economic embargo has likely prevented these people having upgraded their birds to the extent it has happenned elsewhere. But what about the USA?

 

[Guest chrisss]

frank lloyd[spelling] and eamon kelly had grooters and won pau with them,and i think that paul kendal had birds with some grooters in perhaps some of the distance guys on site will know more

[hotrod]

frank lloyd[spelling] and eamon kelly had grooters and won pau with them,and i think that paul kendal had birds with some grooters in

they won with little margaret and where second as well with her son  

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

they won with little margaret and where second as well with her son  

 

 

holloway boy?

[pjc]

I think there is a guy in Swansea with the old Grooters, he advertises a couple of times a year in the BHW.

[pjc]

 

holloway boy?

 

Holloway boy is Paul Kendalls

 

 

 

[kirky]

a ripon caravan site owner used to advertise untill a couple of years ago in bhw he did not race but kept them pure. he had grooters & gurneys lovley birds.

[hotrod]

 

holloway boy?

not sure what they called her son chriiiiiiiiiiissss  i tried to buy a son of her last january on elimar  site bidded 300,with my pal , but went on holiday a day or two before it ended and found out when i came back we lost out   she is a smashing looking blue pied

 

 

[pjc]

Lloyd & Kelly's little Margaret was nothing to do with Hollway Bay which is Paul Kendals!

If you look at BHW stud books early to mid 90's you will find a picture of Holloway boy on  the cover i took the day after he won the Pau national.

[Guest chrisss]

Lloyd & Kelly's little Margaret was nothing to do with Hollway Bay which is Paul Kendals!

If you look at BHW stud books early to mid 90's you will find a picture of Holloway boy on  the cover i took the day after he won the Pau national.

 

i always thought that both birds were related,[ i have the dvd somewhere have to dig it out]

[Guest grizzler]

thanks for all the replies...nice to know thet still exist after all these years   :)