Mycostatin Nystan Nystatin

[Guest]

Salmonella bacteria cause the disease. The disease itself goes under different names: salmonellosis, paratyphoid, paratyphus.

[DOVEScot]

Salmonella bacteria cause the disease. The disease itself goes under different names: salmonellosis, paratyphoid, paratyphus.

 

So does vaccinating for the above prevent salmonella

[Guest]

An alternative to vaccination might be the feeding of probiotics, or 'competitive exclusion strategy' to give it its Sunday name.

 

Lot of gobblydgook in this extract, but its about getting rid of salmonella nature's way:-

 

Salmonellae reduction in poultry by competitive exclusion bacteria Lactobacillus salivarius and Streptococcus cristatus Zhang G, Ma L, Doyle MP.

 

Center for Food Safety, 1109 Experiment Street, University of Georgia, Griffin, Georgia 30223, USA.

 

The objective of this study was to develop a defined competitive exclusion bacteria (CE) culture that will prevent or substantially reduce Salmonella colonization of poultry. The efficacy of 56 potential CE isolates in preventing or reducing Salmonella colonization in chickens was determined. These potential CE were perorally administered to day-of-hatch chicks at 10(6) to 10 [8] CFU per chick, and salmonellae were subsequently administered by gavage 2 days later at 5.5 x 10(3) to 5.0 x 10(4) CFU per chick. Feeding chickens an overnight CE culture of Lactobacillus salivarius strains Salm-9, List40-1,8, or List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage in cecal contents by 2.10, 2.52, and 2.20 log CFU/g (average of three trials), respectively. The percentages of Salmonella-positive chickens after receiving these treatments were 35, 31, and 35% respectively, compared with 84% for the untreated control. A mixture of these three isolates had a similar effect when compared with the results of the individual isolates. A mixture of Streptococcus cristatus List40-13 and L. salivarius List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage from 90 to 65% and 88 to 31% in two feeding trials, and by 2.2 and 4 log CFU/g of cecal contents of chickens. In conclusion, CE isolates L. salivarius Salm-9, List40-18, and List40-41 and S. cristatus List40-13 either individually or in combination were effective in significantly preventing Salmonella colonization of chickens.

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

An alternative to vaccination might be the feeding of probiotics, or 'competitive exclusion strategy' to give it its Sunday name.

 

Lot of gobblydgook in this extract, but its about getting rid of salmonella nature's way:-

 

Salmonellae reduction in poultry by competitive exclusion bacteria Lactobacillus salivarius and Streptococcus cristatus Zhang G, Ma L, Doyle MP.

 

Center for Food Safety, 1109 Experiment Street, University of Georgia, Griffin, Georgia 30223, USA.

 

The objective of this study was to develop a defined competitive exclusion bacteria (CE) culture that will prevent or substantially reduce Salmonella colonization of poultry. The efficacy of 56 potential CE isolates in preventing or reducing Salmonella colonization in chickens was determined. These potential CE were perorally administered to day-of-hatch chicks at 10(6) to 10 [8] CFU per chick, and salmonellae were subsequently administered by gavage 2 days later at 5.5 x 10(3) to 5.0 x 10(4) CFU per chick. Feeding chickens an overnight CE culture of Lactobacillus salivarius strains Salm-9, List40-1,8, or List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage in cecal contents by 2.10, 2.52, and 2.20 log CFU/g (average of three trials), respectively. The percentages of Salmonella-positive chickens after receiving these treatments were 35, 31, and 35% respectively, compared with 84% for the untreated control. A mixture of these three isolates had a similar effect when compared with the results of the individual isolates. A mixture of Streptococcus cristatus List40-13 and L. salivarius List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage from 90 to 65% and 88 to 31% in two feeding trials, and by 2.2 and 4 log CFU/g of cecal contents of chickens. In conclusion, CE isolates L. salivarius Salm-9, List40-18, and List40-41 and S. cristatus List40-13 either individually or in combination were effective in significantly preventing Salmonella colonization of chickens.

 

 

a lot of gobbldygook,     thats an understatement is it no

[DOVEScot]

 

a lot of gobbldygook,     thats an understatement is it no

 

Just a tadd ;D ;D ;D

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

Just a tadd ;D ;D ;D

 

hope you understood it  ;D ;D ;D

[DOVEScot]

 

hope you understood it  ;D ;D ;D

 

Not a jot ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

The Brothers Grim  ;D   ;D   ;D

 

Trick I think is to skim the extract and zoom in on the bits that matter to you:-

 

 

“The objective of this study was to develop a defined Competitive Exclusion bacteria culture that will prevent or substantially reduce Salmonella colonization [of poultry].

 

In conclusion, Competitive Exclusion isolates Lactobacillus and Streptococcus either individually or in combination were effective in significantly preventing Salmonella colonization [of chickens].”

 

 

Either or both of these bacteria and others are present in bio yoghurt on the Supermarket shelf. Many more strains are said to be available in pigeon probiotics like Flightpath.

 

I do my pigeons monthly, on the food. Its the natural way to keep most pathogens at bay and they are unlikely ever to overcome it by developing resistance, as happens frequently with manufactured antibiotics.

 

[Guest]

Bruno ,i feed youghart daily on their feed ,my opinion and the object of feeding youghart is to colonise the gut with good bacteria so whenever they come under any attack from the baddies ther is enough of the goodies to eat the baddies as that is what happens to keep the pigeons health from suffering and my opinion its why my birds never take any ybs although its not a cure all and end all been doing it for now past ten years and for 80/90 odd pence a tub is well worth it .

[Guest]

When I did yoghurt, Sammy I reckoned that 3 consecutive days once a month was enough as their droppings started to get quite loose after that. Trying Flightpath just now and they too recommend once a month.

 

Agree with you on yoghurt - can't beat it for convenience or price.

[DOVEScot]

Bruno ,i feed youghart daily on their feed ,my opinion and the object of feeding youghart is to colonise the gut with good bacteria so whenever they come under any attack from the baddies ther is enough of the goodies to eat the baddies as that is what happens to keep the pigeons health from suffering and my opinion its why my birds never take any ybs although its not a cure all and end all been doing it for now past ten years and for 80/90 odd pence a tub is well worth it .

 

Ordinary youghart or bio yoghurt Sammy

[Clarkey1990]

 

Ordinary youghart or bio yoghurt Sammy

 

Ordinary yogurt has calcium and digestive values. BIO LIVE yogurt contains good bacteria to fight salmonella. Thats the one you want.

[DOVEScot]

 

Ordinary yogurt has calcium and digestive values. BIO LIVE yogurt contains good bacteria to fight salmonella. Thats the one you want.

 

Cheers  

[klinkley]

;D ;D ;DI've got a Salmon called Ella ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Paulo]

Hi anybody know where I can obtain this from?

[Guest]

id say ur best bet would be ur local vet.other then that i would try meditec in the bhw,maybe chevita.....paul

[ALF]

PAULO USED IT FOR THE 1ST TIME THIS YEAR MYSELF A FRIEND GOT IT FROM BELGIUM FOR ME

[jakjak]

about 5 years ago a good friend of mine used this and it actually brought the disease into his loft, so he killed them!

you dont have to go to such extremes to win races!

all the best

[Guest Vic]

PARATYPHOID, Our next dilemma, without doubt. Or, are some of us blind?

[Guest]

PAULO USED IT FOR THE 1ST TIME THIS YEAR MYSELF A FRIEND GOT IT FROM BELGIUM FOR ME

 

WAS IT TO TRY TO MAKE YIR HAIR GROW ;D

[ALF]

 

WAS IT TO TRY TO MAKE YIR HAIR GROW ;D

 

WELL IT DIDNAE GIE YOU A SENSE OF HUMOUR DID IT :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

WELL IT DIDNAE GIE YOU A SENSE OF HUMOUR DID IT :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

I NEVER USED IT DAFTY

[ALF]

 

I NEVER USED IT DAFTY

 

YOU NEVER USED YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR EITHER :D :D

[Guest Paulo]

Just Kevin Hurst recommends doing it in his book east to west but it seems canny hard stuff to obtain

[bewted]

dont believe every thing you read on books  ??)