Guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Salmonella bacteria cause the disease. The disease itself goes under different names: salmonellosis, paratyphoid, paratyphus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Salmonella bacteria cause the disease. The disease itself goes under different names: salmonellosis, paratyphoid, paratyphus. So does vaccinating for the above prevent salmonella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 An alternative to vaccination might be the feeding of probiotics, or 'competitive exclusion strategy' to give it its Sunday name. Lot of gobblydgook in this extract, but its about getting rid of salmonella nature's way:- Salmonellae reduction in poultry by competitive exclusion bacteria Lactobacillus salivarius and Streptococcus cristatus Zhang G, Ma L, Doyle MP. Center for Food Safety, 1109 Experiment Street, University of Georgia, Griffin, Georgia 30223, USA. The objective of this study was to develop a defined competitive exclusion bacteria (CE) culture that will prevent or substantially reduce Salmonella colonization of poultry. The efficacy of 56 potential CE isolates in preventing or reducing Salmonella colonization in chickens was determined. These potential CE were perorally administered to day-of-hatch chicks at 10(6) to 10 [8] CFU per chick, and salmonellae were subsequently administered by gavage 2 days later at 5.5 x 10(3) to 5.0 x 10(4) CFU per chick. Feeding chickens an overnight CE culture of Lactobacillus salivarius strains Salm-9, List40-1,8, or List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage in cecal contents by 2.10, 2.52, and 2.20 log CFU/g (average of three trials), respectively. The percentages of Salmonella-positive chickens after receiving these treatments were 35, 31, and 35% respectively, compared with 84% for the untreated control. A mixture of these three isolates had a similar effect when compared with the results of the individual isolates. A mixture of Streptococcus cristatus List40-13 and L. salivarius List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage from 90 to 65% and 88 to 31% in two feeding trials, and by 2.2 and 4 log CFU/g of cecal contents of chickens. In conclusion, CE isolates L. salivarius Salm-9, List40-18, and List40-41 and S. cristatus List40-13 either individually or in combination were effective in significantly preventing Salmonella colonization of chickens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 An alternative to vaccination might be the feeding of probiotics, or 'competitive exclusion strategy' to give it its Sunday name. Lot of gobblydgook in this extract, but its about getting rid of salmonella nature's way:- Salmonellae reduction in poultry by competitive exclusion bacteria Lactobacillus salivarius and Streptococcus cristatus Zhang G, Ma L, Doyle MP. Center for Food Safety, 1109 Experiment Street, University of Georgia, Griffin, Georgia 30223, USA. The objective of this study was to develop a defined competitive exclusion bacteria (CE) culture that will prevent or substantially reduce Salmonella colonization of poultry. The efficacy of 56 potential CE isolates in preventing or reducing Salmonella colonization in chickens was determined. These potential CE were perorally administered to day-of-hatch chicks at 10(6) to 10 [8] CFU per chick, and salmonellae were subsequently administered by gavage 2 days later at 5.5 x 10(3) to 5.0 x 10(4) CFU per chick. Feeding chickens an overnight CE culture of Lactobacillus salivarius strains Salm-9, List40-1,8, or List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage in cecal contents by 2.10, 2.52, and 2.20 log CFU/g (average of three trials), respectively. The percentages of Salmonella-positive chickens after receiving these treatments were 35, 31, and 35% respectively, compared with 84% for the untreated control. A mixture of these three isolates had a similar effect when compared with the results of the individual isolates. A mixture of Streptococcus cristatus List40-13 and L. salivarius List40-41 reduced Salmonella carriage from 90 to 65% and 88 to 31% in two feeding trials, and by 2.2 and 4 log CFU/g of cecal contents of chickens. In conclusion, CE isolates L. salivarius Salm-9, List40-18, and List40-41 and S. cristatus List40-13 either individually or in combination were effective in significantly preventing Salmonella colonization of chickens. a lot of gobbldygook, thats an understatement is it no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 a lot of gobbldygook, thats an understatement is it no Just a tadd ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Just a tadd ;D ;D ;D hope you understood it ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 hope you understood it ;D ;D ;D Not a jot ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 The Brothers Grim ;D ;D ;D Trick I think is to skim the extract and zoom in on the bits that matter to you:- “The objective of this study was to develop a defined Competitive Exclusion bacteria culture that will prevent or substantially reduce Salmonella colonization [of poultry]. In conclusion, Competitive Exclusion isolates Lactobacillus and Streptococcus either individually or in combination were effective in significantly preventing Salmonella colonization [of chickens].” Either or both of these bacteria and others are present in bio yoghurt on the Supermarket shelf. Many more strains are said to be available in pigeon probiotics like Flightpath. I do my pigeons monthly, on the food. Its the natural way to keep most pathogens at bay and they are unlikely ever to overcome it by developing resistance, as happens frequently with manufactured antibiotics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Bruno ,i feed youghart daily on their feed ,my opinion and the object of feeding youghart is to colonise the gut with good bacteria so whenever they come under any attack from the baddies ther is enough of the goodies to eat the baddies as that is what happens to keep the pigeons health from suffering and my opinion its why my birds never take any ybs although its not a cure all and end all been doing it for now past ten years and for 80/90 odd pence a tub is well worth it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 When I did yoghurt, Sammy I reckoned that 3 consecutive days once a month was enough as their droppings started to get quite loose after that. Trying Flightpath just now and they too recommend once a month. Agree with you on yoghurt - can't beat it for convenience or price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Bruno ,i feed youghart daily on their feed ,my opinion and the object of feeding youghart is to colonise the gut with good bacteria so whenever they come under any attack from the baddies ther is enough of the goodies to eat the baddies as that is what happens to keep the pigeons health from suffering and my opinion its why my birds never take any ybs although its not a cure all and end all been doing it for now past ten years and for 80/90 odd pence a tub is well worth it . Ordinary youghart or bio yoghurt Sammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey1990 Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Ordinary youghart or bio yoghurt Sammy Ordinary yogurt has calcium and digestive values. BIO LIVE yogurt contains good bacteria to fight salmonella. Thats the one you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOVEScot Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Ordinary yogurt has calcium and digestive values. BIO LIVE yogurt contains good bacteria to fight salmonella. Thats the one you want. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klinkley Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 ;D ;D ;DI've got a Salmon called Ella ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paulo Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Hi anybody know where I can obtain this from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 id say ur best bet would be ur local vet.other then that i would try meditec in the bhw,maybe chevita.....paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 PAULO USED IT FOR THE 1ST TIME THIS YEAR MYSELF A FRIEND GOT IT FROM BELGIUM FOR ME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakjak Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 about 5 years ago a good friend of mine used this and it actually brought the disease into his loft, so he killed them! you dont have to go to such extremes to win races! all the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vic Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 PARATYPHOID, Our next dilemma, without doubt. Or, are some of us blind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 PAULO USED IT FOR THE 1ST TIME THIS YEAR MYSELF A FRIEND GOT IT FROM BELGIUM FOR ME WAS IT TO TRY TO MAKE YIR HAIR GROW ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 WAS IT TO TRY TO MAKE YIR HAIR GROW ;D WELL IT DIDNAE GIE YOU A SENSE OF HUMOUR DID IT :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 WELL IT DIDNAE GIE YOU A SENSE OF HUMOUR DID IT :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I NEVER USED IT DAFTY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 I NEVER USED IT DAFTY YOU NEVER USED YOUR SENSE OF HUMOUR EITHER :D :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paulo Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Just Kevin Hurst recommends doing it in his book east to west but it seems canny hard stuff to obtain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bewted Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 dont believe every thing you read on books ??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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