Guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Had a bird die unexpectedly and want to use amoxcilyn[probably spelt wrong but you know what I mean],suspect streptococcus,all other birds seem fine but I want to treat them as a precaution.The only thing worrying me is that a couple of the squeakers are only 5 days old.Do you think they will be ok taking this?
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Had a bird die unexpectedly and want to use amoxcilyn[probably spelt wrong but you know what I mean],suspect streptococcus,all other birds seem fine but I want to treat them as a precaution.The only thing worrying me is that a couple of the squeakers are only 5 days old.Do you think they will be ok taking this? AMOXICILLIN, YES BIRDS WILL BE OKAY
Guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Cheers Tammy,I will go and give it them....done one loft,but was too nervous to srart the YB's.Have a good day
Guest shadow Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 never treat blind find out what is causing the problem
Guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Shadow I spent £225 last year on blood/dropping tests on my chickens and was none the wiser afterwards so I don't have much faith in tests.I would have had a post mortem done on this bird if I thought it would have told me anything.The trouble is pigeons carry numerous diseases at low levels all the time and cope well with them until there is a trigger factor like a bit of stress or god knows what tips the balance and one or more diseases multiplies.The pigeon then fights the hightened infection using all its resources leaving its imune system depleted thus allowing all the lower level diseases to increase too,so by the time the bird is either dead or very sick it is infact engulfed by numerous diseases so a test would show all disease levels raised making it impossible to know which disease engulfed the bird first.Just my opinion
Guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 sent droppings awau to various people in the past to be told that my pigeons ahd this and that and they had the cure for it a twenty quid a bootle ,thats what happens when you do that they allways have the stuff to treat them with ,done one half of my lofts and sent them away to person A and the other half to person B guess what the outcome was one half had this and the other half had this and they both had the proper stuff for it that would cost x amount ,my *expletive removed* ,go back to the old ways if they aint fit and healthy then there fit and healthy for the bin ,thats how we have as much trouble nowadays ,to many pigeon keepers .
ACE LOFTS Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Shadow I spent £225 last year on blood/dropping tests on my chickens and was none the wiser afterwards so I don't have much faith in tests.I would have had a post mortem done on this bird if I thought it would have told me anything.The trouble is pigeons carry numerous diseases at low levels all the time and cope well with them until there is a trigger factor like a bit of stress or god knows what tips the balance and one or more diseases multiplies.The pigeon then fights the hightened infection using all its resources leaving its imune system depleted thus allowing all the lower level diseases to increase too,so by the time the bird is either dead or very sick it is infact engulfed by numerous diseases so a test would show all disease levels raised making it impossible to know which disease engulfed the bird first.Just my opinion impresive
tony99 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 make it up the day before u give it to them/ Amoxciylin / u will get the best out of it and treat for 5 days i had streppycoccy and this what i did bird was fine in a week i hope u dont have it like i had it. i lost noend of birds before i no what to do
Guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 Shadow I spent £225 last year on blood/dropping tests on my chickens and was none the wiser afterwards so I don't have much faith in tests.I would have had a post mortem done on this bird if I thought it would have told me anything.The trouble is pigeons carry numerous diseases at low levels all the time and cope well with them until there is a trigger factor like a bit of stress or god knows what tips the balance and one or more diseases multiplies.The pigeon then fights the hightened infection using all its resources leaving its imune system depleted thus allowing all the lower level diseases to increase too,so by the time the bird is either dead or very sick it is infact engulfed by numerous diseases so a test would show all disease levels raised making it impossible to know which disease engulfed the bird first.Just my opinion I think your 'disease' description is a bit too general, Chrissy. Reading it my first thought is that this is an immune system in name only, not worth a penny if it can't even cope with the stuff you say that it is 'exposed to' at background levels every day. Agree with Sammy on that one, the immune system is inherited, no point breeding a poor immune system into your family of birds ... any kind of bird. Your description smacks of a bird that needs antibiotics to do what its immune system should be doing for it, and is a symptom of long term reliance on antibiotics and microbial resistance to them. Good luck with your problem, and don't forget to follow up treatment with a probiotic. Probiotic treatment can also be better than antibiotic, you are supporting the birds immune system.. not destroying it.
Guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 i am aware anti biotics can destroy the immune system,but given the fact they have never had any before and the fact they are kept very well[cleaned out every day,are seriously under crowded,good ventilation,good food ,supplements etc,etc] and the fact this is the first one that died on me in 7 years i really don't know why or how this has happened.
Guest Posted March 23, 2007 Report Posted March 23, 2007 Real puzzle Chrissy Have only ever had one bird die on me and got one real fright I can tell you. One of a batch of 4 gift birds the first year I started back, they all seemed OK. Not long afterwards, saw one of them hanging back from the feeder when the others were diving in, decided looked off colour and put it in a spare box to keep an eye on it. Thought it was picking up next day (I'd put garlic concentrate in its water) but next day again from the house I heard a racket in the loft and went to see what was going on, racket was the birds death throws in the box, final croak when I arrived. If the same happened today, I think the first thing I'd do now would be strong crushed garlic in drinking water for 7 days, and a probiotic, probably natural live yoghurt, on food for 3 days, for all the birds. Incidently, Craig posted a link to VMD 'Medicines' Gen Pigeon Board, the link below is a VMD page on antibiotic use in animals, including how 'resistance' happens. http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/vetsurveillance/antimicrobial-res.htm
Guest Posted March 23, 2007 Report Posted March 23, 2007 Sounds just like mine,she picked up before she died.It gives you a hell of a scare,I've been in panic mode all week.Am planning on starting pro biotics as soon as drugs finnished,hopeing this was a one off.
edthekid Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 i use etrodex made by vydex.....every other day on corn with lokolie garlic oill always have.....
Guest Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 Thanks to everyone for the advice.It has been 2 weeks now since my bird died and all others still seem fine [touch wood].Has been suggested to me it was liver disease [will never know],but I have been guilty of using oil on the feed during the show season,could be a possible cause.The birds are now on probiotics and I am planning on using origano-stim as an appetite stimulant to get the extra weight for showing rather than using oil for extra calories.Maybe her death was my fault although they had'nt had any oil or high calorie food for a few months as breeding.I don't know
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted April 2, 2007 Report Posted April 2, 2007 if you think it was liver disease chrissy , cut down on the whisky a touch
expat1 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Hi Chrissy You had a pigeon die on you unexpected you say and then rush to the medicines. Did you look down the throat as soon as you noticed the pigeon Dead. Was it okay before it died I.e no moping etc because if you had looked at the troat you may have seen a blue Mauve colour, If this is the case then the pigeon died of a heart attack, nothing sinister as to have to treat all in the loft expat1
Guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Posted April 30, 2007 Thanks expat,wish I had looked down it's throat after it died as it's still a mystery,she was in excelent condition when she took ill and died about 36 hours later...no weight loss,throat was clearetc,think I just panicked [using the amoxcillin].Sod's law she was my top winning bird too!,it's been nearly 6 weeks now and all birds ok.
DJ Posted December 12, 2007 Report Posted December 12, 2007 hi can anyone tell me where i can buy amoxicillin powder to add to my drinkers? debbie
bewted Posted December 12, 2007 Report Posted December 12, 2007 try HYPERDRUG,CO,UK,,,,,,,,hope this helps some how !!!
REDCHEQHEN Posted December 12, 2007 Report Posted December 12, 2007 try HYPERDRUG,CO,UK,,,,,,,,hope this helps some how !!! you need a prescription to get it from them look at your private messages Debbie
bewted Posted December 12, 2007 Report Posted December 12, 2007 you need a prescription to get it from them look at your private messages Debbie only trying to help anyway i can,otherwise,not got a clue !!!!!
Tony C Posted December 12, 2007 Report Posted December 12, 2007 http://www.oropharma.com/en/duiven/html/amoxicure.html
phillips Posted December 12, 2007 Report Posted December 12, 2007 WHY DO YOU NEED THIS ? I CAN GET THIS
DOVEScot Posted December 12, 2007 Report Posted December 12, 2007 WHY DO YOU NEED THIS ? I CAN GET THIS With that pic, you look like you can get anything :D :D :D The birds are doing great by the way ;D ;D ;D
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