Natural Products/supplement

[Guest]

I am very keen on giving my birds natural products, we don't have to medicate often as our birds have a great immune system by being fed Chisholm Trail Health Products from Birth.

 

Last year Steve bought all sorts of what I call Crap, highly priced and chemical not natural and insisted on feeding it to my young bird team, which completely knocked them off line for the last few races.

 

This year, the YB door will be locked and I intend to feed all natural supplements such as freshly squeed lemon juice in the water once a week, pureed carrotts mixed with the corn the night before, shredded white cabbage lightly salted, 1/2 white cabbage hung on a straing for the birds to pick at and of course garlic. I also plan on hanging a rag in the loft with a few drops of camphor oil on it.  I use Kilpatricks black grit and chalk blocks as an addition to the grit.  

 

Has anyone any further suggestions

[mealybar]

1 part sugar, to 1 part lemon juice to about 8 parts water, makes a cracking lemonade for waiting the birds return birds never complained about it either

[MsPigeon]

Hyacinth,

What would you use if you did have a problem in the YB loft? Say for instance a yb came down with a one eyed cold and a couple days later one had dirty wattles and another day goes by and you hear sneezing. Do you still just use natural products and let this run its course or do you use one of Steve's chemical products?

Yours in the sport.

Carol

[Guest]

We would treat with anti biotics and isolate the bird.  We do not flock treat with anti biotics.  

[Chatrace]

I will be using Chisholm Trail Health Products this year for the race birds, This will be the first year we used it and from what I'm hearing should keep the bird in good form all being from over 36 diffrant lofts.

 

As far as your 1 eyed cold and sneezing and dirty wattkes, I would treat for Respotory using Tylan and if you happen to have some One eye Cold eye drops use it also.

[MsPigeon]

I was trying to depict a scenrio where it could go either way and just wondered if the Chisholm or natural products would be the course taken for those who use all natural products. Thank You for the replys.

Carol

[jimmy white]

im having a go at the chisolm health products, the ybs ive reared are top class, i give them all away, but im proud to

[Guest slugmonkey]

I have noticed since we started knocking down walls and opening everything we can to ventilate we have not seen 1 eye cold in 3 years I just borrowed an excellent Davrendt cock that came with a tube of tylan for his eye we put him in our big flypen for breeders and he is in great shape no water in eye whatsoever I am a firm beliver in small breeding lofts and huge flypens  

[Guest]

Couldn't agree more Rocky.

[jimmy white]

;D ;D ;D a spit in the eye  ;D ;D ;D   no, i am quite , serious i can here you saying ,heres mad doc white again

a clean spit prefferably from a child, contains enough natural antibiotics and more, to cure a mild touch of one eyed cold .

p.s not a spit from clockman, or youll have an alcoholic pigeon,,,sorry clocky , couldnt resist it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

[mark]

tylan,

         is that for pigs

[schouwman71]

farmers use to feed tylan to pigs it came in bags and was a powder form antibiotic but it also contained loads of vits,was told it contained steroids aswell to make piglets grow faster for the market.

[celtic]

Hyacinth,

when you say a chalk block, would that be exactly what to ask for or does it go by another brand name ? also would you think an animal feed store (horses) would sell them as there is one nearby me.

[Guest]

That's all I asked for Celtic, got them from a Pigeon Supplu house, but our farm store also sells them

[jimmy white]

YES TYLAN IS FOR PIGS ,AMONG OTHER FARM ANIMALS, CALFS, TURKEYS SAME AS MOST ANTIBIOTICS, DINAMUTALIN, NOW TIAMUTIN IS ASO FOR PIGS ETC

[celtic]

Thanks Hyacinth.

[peterpau]

Just wondering why you use lemon juice Hyacinth. I use cyder vinegar to keep the  e-coli down also helps with YBS. Wonderd if lemon would do similar.

[Guest]

Yes Peter, but I make sure I use a feshly squeezed one, not the Jiff stuff as this has chemical additives

[Jack Barkel]

Fresh lemon juice helps purify the blood, by removing toxins from the system.

 

Apple cyder vinegar is a good preventative medicine for canker. I have found that canker can't live with this product. These are just personal observations.

 

I prefer natural products to anti biotic as the birds still build up their own resistance to illness, whereas anti biotic can cause the bird to lose a lot of it's immunity system or can cause the bird to build up an immunity to the ant biotic.

 

Anti biotocs should only be used when a bird is ill in my opinion, and not as a preventative medicine.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

[peterpau]

Makes sence Hyacinth. vinegar & lemon both acidic, but I use lemon on the food vinegar in the water. Thanks.

Rarely treat cocci now still treat for worms and canker. Never used antibiotic. Put yoghurt on food occasionaly. Finding I no longer need to treat, sounds backwards but there you go. Birds that fly 5 & 600mls maybe don't need it ? Jack ?

SHOCK HORROR I LET STRAYS IN TO TEST IMMUNITY. Now that sounds crazy but ?

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Peterpau,

 

I tend to agree with you, that a true 5-600 miler seems to have a very high built in immune system of it's own.

 

Health being the first issue in preparing birds for the supreme distance.

 

I also believe in never putting in the water what can be put on the food. If a pigeon reduces its intake of water by 10% the week before the event, one can expect a 40% reduction in performance.

 

Regards

 

Jack

[Guest slugmonkey]

using chisolm trail there is water additives says not to give on basketing day by smelling this stuff you can tell there is sugar in it I plan on not giving it for 2 days when racing and return day have any of you using this product found it dehydrates more as any time you use sugar as a feed it dehydrates more than usual

[Guest]

I've never smelled it Slugmonkey, but I will in the morning.

[jimmy white]

agree that 5 to 600 mile pigeons seem to have a very strong constitution, sir colin ,my 2 national 608 miles was of that sort, as i had mentioned in previous posts ,way back,. i would have absolutely clean loft and changed water as often as poss. yet colin would persist in drinking out the old sink in the yard where i kept them at the time [greyhound men washed their dogs dishes in it] i tried everything to stop him , in the end i gave up. as he allways looked well, all i could do was keep the tap running as long as poss, and add a drop of milton, but that bird had 4 top nat. positions [there was no drainage to the sink]

p.s very interesting post by jack barkel, on the water intake of a racing pigeon,,plenty food for thought there

[wilkins]

agree that 5 to 600 mile pigeons seem to have a very strong constitution, sir colin ,my 2 national 608 miles was of that sort, as i had mentioned in previous posts ,way back,. i would have absolutely clean loft and changed water as often as poss. yet colin would persist in drinking out the old sink in the yard where i kept them at the time [greyhound men washed their dogs dishes in it] i tried everything to stop him , in the end i gave up. as he allways looked well, all i could do was keep the tap running as long as poss, and add a drop of milton, but that bird had 4 top nat. positions [there was no drainage to the sink]

p.s very interesting post by jack barkel, on the water intake of a racing pigeon,,plenty food for thought there

 

having read this post and the findings of gary inkley in the bhw this year , i am starting to wonder if we need to clean and refill the drinkers each day , starting to think they can just be topped up and emptied but not cleaned just once a week or when needed