lump on wing

[storm rollers]

any suggestions i have a hen with a lump on its wing joint the lump is not discolored>

it can no longer fly what could it be??

[Guest]

This could be an indication of paratyphoid, I'm not sure what the treatment is in the UK, all our medications have different names in the States

[Guest Silverwings]

Baytril is not a popular choice of treatments but it is effective ,an alternative is a product called furoxone this can be ordered online , but make sure the problem is paratyphoid first ?  best to consult an avian vet ....ray

[jimmy white]

agree with the first two posts but would get it checked out ,,,quick

[Guest shadow]

If the bird is not a major prize winner save the expence and dipose of it.

[Chatrace]

Right it could be cured ,but will be a carrier for life

[Guest]

no someone who had one of these, could be a protein lump.had it drained,came back. thentied a piece of cotton around it and in time it fell of the bird can now fly and you would neverbe able to tell it was ever there

[Guest shadow]

I ve had one or two with protien lumps removed them but the birds never whent on to do any good after wards.  If its a protien lump it will be black in colour and could start oozing blood if it gets very big. My answer would still be the same as my first message.

[storm rollers]

cheers everyone for ur help and sugestions

[REDCHEQHEN]

The protein lumps that look like black warts, have never made any difference to the flying ability in birds that we have had with them, they have all gone on to score - (we have had one a year) however these have only ever appeared on body or neck, never on wing, and have always been left to fall off themselves

[jimmy white]

i have had these occasional "protein lumps"but as you say the bird has allways been able to fly,,thatswhy i said it might be worth getting it tested for paratyphoid, because sometimes they show these symtoms, and still look ok  otherwise, and it is very easy to have a carrier in the loft that can cause you trouble for years, so it might just be worth getting it tested, just as a safegaurd,

[Keepsmilingqueen]

Can anyone shed anymore light on protein lumps as i think one of my youngens might have one, he has a marble size black lump on his back which as above oozes blood if knocked, at 1st i thought he had been grabbed by something out flying and ruptured some blood vessels under the skin making a blood blister/ bruise. but its been a week now and its still there !!  ;D he still goes out flying with the others,eats/drinks well ect.

[Guest shadow]

you could isolate and put it on barley with garlic in the water and the lumps usually dry up

[Guest]

I think what is being described is a 'fatty lipoma'.

 

Basically fat which the body can't deal with in the normal way and which is ejected through the skin. In Scotland, sometimes called a 'blood blister' because it appears to be 'a blister under the skin' that grows and grows and eventually bursts.

 

So expect and be prepared for 'blood & guts' as its blood and liquid fat that comes out of it when it bursts. Absolutely no treatment needed, heals by itself.

 

Normally affects body, so I agree with the other posts that the original post here about the lump on the wing is highly suspect, don't know what, but probably not this.

 

Would be interested to hear views on what causes these fat / protein lumps? For example Rod Adams at our moot said that its being fed too much protein which the body can't handle [so why eject fat then?] As I said, very interested as I had two birds with it, [yes, in 2004 !!!   a good year for wine???     ;D  ].

 

[Keepsmilingqueen]

thanx for the advice, its all been taken on board, im so glad that it seems to be curable, as he is a really lovely well bred young cock that is flying out well and id hate to have to have him culled as he really is a charactor in the loft.

 

ps sorry for hijacking the post  :B

[Guest]

thanx for the advice, its all been taken on board, im so glad that it seems to be curable, as he is a really lovely well bred young cock that is flying out well and id hate to have to have him culled as he really is a charactor in the loft.

 

ps sorry for hijacking the post  :B

 

 

No cull, no hijack and no apology needed.  

 

Benefit from other members experience. When first faced with this [burst] didn't have a scoobie what it was, panicked and put the bird down. When I told clubmates about it later and they explained what it was, I felt all of two inches tall.

 

So just let nature take its course ... I'm sure the bird will be OK..

[Guest slugmonkey]

I had a good bird with a lump on wing he didnt drop the 9th flights and a lump devoleped I took a utility knife and cut it open it was full of grainy black and yellow material almost like some kind of eggs I cut the flights back and later pulled them I was planning on retiring this bird anyhow  but he seems to be doing well his brother was 2nd best bird in club and I no longer have the mother of these two so I really didn't want to cull him

[Guest]

I had a good bird with a lump on wing he didnt drop the 9th flights and a lump devoleped I took a utility knife and cut it open it was full of grainy black and yellow material almost like some kind of eggs I cut the flights back and later pulled them I was planning on retiring this bird anyhow  but he seems to be doing well his brother was 2nd best bird in club and I no longer have the mother of these two so I really didn't want to cull him

 

My first experience really flipped me. First sign that something was wrong was red, red blood running down the bird's leg.. picked the bird up, turned her upside down and way up the leg near the body, spotted something 'hanging'  shaped kinda like a moth's body, and burst open at the thicker end. Had a peek inside and saw what I thought were white bony plates. An insect's head?   Shades of 'Alien'.  

 

Later, realised it could have been a feather follicle? Perhaps that is what you cut into too?

 

And this experience led me to develop my AND rule. On hindsight, other than this prob, there was absolutely nothing else wrong with, or worriesome about this bird. She was her usual bright & perky self. Had already isolated her, so she wasn't any danger to my other birds. Could have gone down to the club and asked someone's advice ......

 

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

I had noticed this birds performance was slipping and then realized the flights hadn't been dropped so I wasn't flying him anyway then when the lump appeared I was worried if it had been most others I wouldnt have gave much of a break after performance lapse but this guy is always top performer

[Guest slugmonkey]

it was on the wing in the wrong place to be a feather follicle

[Keepsmilingqueen]

just a quick update on my young bird with protein lump, i isolated him and fed a  plain diet of barley and added  garlic in the water at 1st the lump got bigger, about the size of a table tennis ball and i was beginning to think i should have had him culled but as he wasnt in any obvious pain i let him be and after 2 weeks the lump was reabsorbed weird or what i was expecting it to burst ! he is now back in the race team and doing fine,  there is no trace of the lump left at all

[Guest shadow]

Very pleased for you the protien lumps usually heal them selves if do the same again if it comes back don't think it will.

[mO]

If its big, black and bleeds tie a cotton noose tightly around it, stop the blood supply and it will die and fall off with no detriment to the bird.

mO.

[pigeonpete]

Hi just going back to the original post!! what causes paratyphoid?? i have a yb that feel and looks good! but cant fly!! i know he has nt hit it as i ve been away on holiday and was fine before i went!! the wing feels fine and is nt broke!! any ideas? and is it curable? and if so what with? how is it spread?

 

regards

 

pete

[Guest]

Paratyphoid is a serious bacterial disease caused by salmonella.

 

Cause is frequently put down to rodent contamination ... either on the feed or loft floor.

 

If your birds have been confined to the loft seems unlikely [to me] that this is the cause of the bird not flying. Simple things like a knock [bruising], a 'dooing' from another bird, or even the moult stop the bird from flying and are far more common reasons.