Guest Doade Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 here is a true barless blue http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5676/barlessblue.jpg
Guest Doade Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 still a true barless blue pal 8)
Guest Doade Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 bob back me up as I think we know each other from moons ago ;D
Novice Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 I believe the White family won 2 Nationals, I believe as stated Scotch King and Scotch Queen. Neither were barless. I believe Matt White wrote an article on breeding barless pigeons at one point---I remember reading it. As pointed out earlier on this thread the best person to contact may be Ian Noble (SHU President) who was gifted the entire stock when Matt died. Whether or not he has preserved the family I am not sure.
Guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 The colour referred to as "barless mealy" is a combination of ash-red and spread - not an ash-red variation of the barless blue posted. Hello George.
Guest beautyhomer Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Barless is an allele of chequer and bar and is recessive to both. The true barless cannot be produced by crossing other colours and patterns i.e. mealy and black, the "barless" produced from this mating is spread ash-red, also called "lavender", and is not genetically barless. To breed barless blue pigeons a barless blue is required; first cross blue bar x barless will produce barred young, these will all carry barless. Mating two of these carriers together will produce approximately 25% barless; barless to barless-carrier will produce approximately 50% barless. Alternatively if a pure (homozygous) chequer is used in the first cross, the resultant young would be chequer carrying barless, these then mated to blue bars would breed blue bars and blue chequers, all the blue bars would carry barless, as would some of the chequers, but a percentage of the chequers would carry bar. Mate the blue bars together and 25% barless are produced. Spread Ash Red is not called Lavender Lavenders are genetically a spread blue with Milky.The colour modifying gene Milky (my) is a recessive not sex linked gene
allenyeates Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 much did yi get for them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D has massarella not got the barless mealys in the pharoh long distance pigeons I have barless mealy hen (03) bought from Louella. King of the Faroes strain. Bred 2 barless mealy cocks off her. The 08 bird I gave to a young lad who came to pick a stray up that I had of his. The 09 bird is away tonight at Yelverton for its second race.
Guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Spread Ash Red is not called Lavender Lavenders are genetically a spread blue with Milky.The colour modifying gene Milky (my) is a recessive not sex linked gene In some breeds spread ash is referred to as "lavender". Some "Lavenders" are spread ash and milky.
Guest Doade Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 Spread Ash Red is not called Lavender Lavenders are genetically a spread blue with Milky.The colour modifying gene Milky (my) is a recessive not sex linked gene Thought Glassfeather would have dived in here by now mate 8)
Guest ROCKYandRAMBO Posted September 4, 2009 Report Posted September 4, 2009 ive got lots of barless mealys . but how do you breed a barless blue if you need a barless blue to breed another . where did the first barless blue come from
superstar Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 My mate keeps a family of Matt White "Scotch Kings". They're nearly all blacks, some have a W/Flt and occasionaly throw the odd lt cheq, he wins from 60 to 400 miles so they aint bad pigeons to have in your loft thats for sure!
Guest JPH Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 funny how colours change. HE stayed near my grandfather and his birds were mainly blue lt chqs , some mealys and the odd dark un , but not many. suppose if you get the dark uns they will take over
Guest phillip Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 To breed barless blue pigeons a barless blue is required; first cross blue bar x barless will produce barred young, these will all carry barless. Mating two of these carriers together will produce approximately 25% barless; barless to barless-carrier will produce approximately 50% barless. Alternatively if a pure (homozygous) chequer is used in the first cross, the resultant young would be chequer carrying barless, these then mated to blue bars would breed blue bars and blue chequers, all the blue bars would carry barless, as would some of the chequers, but a percentage of the chequers would carry bar. Mate the blue bars together and 25% barless are produced. Thank you for the Info . I am always very interested in these mutations . Do one breed the Yellow and Silver Jannsens utations the same way
pjc Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 Thank you for the Info . I am always very interested in these mutations . Do one breed the Yellow and Silver Jannsens utations the same way Yellows are dilute reds and silvers are dilute blues, you can only breed dilutes from dilutes or birds with dilute genes and they are sex linked!
Guest ROCKYandRAMBO Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 no one seems to understand me lol . if to breed a barless blue to get a barless blue . what was the first ever barless blue bred from ?????
Kyleakin Lofts Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 As I said earlier, I think they were genetically modified. Contact Ian Noble via Scottish Homing Union. He has them direct from Matt White and is able to give you all the info, first hand.
Guest grizzler Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 no one seems to understand me lol . if to breed a barless blue to get a barless blue . what was the first ever barless blue bred from ????? its a pretty safe bet that barless comes from one of the fancy breeds originally.
Guest beautyhomer Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 no one seems to understand me lol . if to breed a barless blue to get a barless blue . what was the first ever barless blue bred from ????? You do not need a barless blue to breed one,the colour of the pigeon is not important but it needs the patern gene barless.The first barless pigeon would have been a mutation like all the other colours and patterns discovered through domestication.The wild type is a barred blue.
Guest beautyhomer Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 its a pretty safe bet that barless comes from one of the fancy breeds originally. Yes,as racing pigeons are a combination of several fancy breeds including smerles and cumulets.
Guest Doade Posted September 5, 2009 Report Posted September 5, 2009 Most of the barless pigeons I have seen have been of german origin. There are lots of german toy pigeons in many breeds that are barless.
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