barless blue matt white paisley?

[Guest Doade]

here is a true barless blue http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5676/barlessblue.jpg

[pjc]

shame its not a proper pigeon!  ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Doade]

still a true barless blue pal  8)

[Guest Doade]

bob back me up as I think we know each other from moons ago  ;D

[Novice]

I believe the White family won 2 Nationals, I believe as stated Scotch King and Scotch Queen. Neither were barless.

I believe Matt White wrote an article on breeding barless pigeons at one point---I remember reading it.

As pointed out earlier on this thread the best person to contact may be Ian Noble (SHU President) who was gifted the entire stock when Matt died.

Whether or not he has preserved the family I am not sure.  

[Guest]

The colour referred to as "barless mealy" is a combination of ash-red and spread - not an ash-red variation of the barless blue posted.

Hello George.

[Guest beautyhomer]

Barless is an allele of chequer and bar and is recessive to both.    The true barless cannot be produced by crossing other colours and patterns i.e. mealy and black, the "barless" produced from this mating is spread ash-red, also called "lavender", and is not genetically barless.  

To breed barless blue pigeons a barless blue is required;  first cross blue bar x barless will produce barred young, these will all carry barless.   Mating two of these carriers together will produce approximately 25% barless; barless to barless-carrier will produce approximately 50% barless.

Alternatively if a pure (homozygous) chequer is used in the first cross, the resultant young would be chequer carrying barless, these then mated to blue bars would breed blue bars and blue chequers, all the blue bars would carry barless, as would some of the chequers, but a percentage of the chequers would carry bar.   Mate the blue bars together and 25% barless are produced.

 

Spread Ash Red is not called Lavender

 

Lavenders are genetically a spread blue with Milky.The colour modifying gene Milky (my) is a recessive not sex linked gene

[allenyeates]

 

much did yi get for them  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D has massarella not got the barless mealys in the pharoh long distance pigeons

 

I have barless mealy hen (03) bought from Louella. King of the Faroes strain. Bred 2 barless mealy cocks off her. The 08 bird I gave to a young lad who came to pick a stray up that I had of his. The 09 bird is away tonight at Yelverton for its second race.

[Guest]

 

Spread Ash Red is not called Lavender

 

Lavenders are genetically a spread blue with Milky.The colour modifying gene Milky (my) is a recessive not sex linked gene

 

In some breeds spread ash is referred to as "lavender".

Some "Lavenders" are spread ash and milky.

[Guest Doade]

 

Spread Ash Red is not called Lavender

 

Lavenders are genetically a spread blue with Milky.The colour modifying gene Milky (my) is a recessive not sex linked gene

 

Thought Glassfeather would have dived in here by now mate  8)

 

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

ive got lots of barless mealys . but how do you breed a barless blue if you need a barless blue to breed another . where did the first barless blue come from

[superstar]

My mate keeps a family of Matt White "Scotch Kings". They're nearly all blacks, some have a W/Flt and occasionaly throw the odd lt cheq, he wins from 60 to 400 miles so they aint bad pigeons to have in your loft thats for sure!

[Guest JPH]

funny how colours change. HE stayed near my grandfather and his birds were mainly blue lt chqs , some mealys and the odd dark un , but not many. suppose if you get the dark uns

 

they will take over

[Guest phillip]

To breed barless blue pigeons a barless blue is required;  first cross blue bar x barless will produce barred young, these will all carry barless.   Mating two of these carriers together will produce approximately 25% barless; barless to barless-carrier will produce approximately 50% barless.

Alternatively if a pure (homozygous) chequer is used in the first cross, the resultant young would be chequer carrying barless, these then mated to blue bars would breed blue bars and blue chequers, all the blue bars would carry barless, as would some of the chequers, but a percentage of the chequers would carry bar.   Mate the blue bars together and 25% barless are produced.

 

Thank you for the Info . I am always very interested in these mutations . Do one breed the Yellow and Silver Jannsens utations the same way

[pjc]

Thank you for the Info . I am always very interested in these mutations . Do one breed the Yellow and Silver Jannsens utations the same way

 

Yellows are dilute reds and silvers are dilute blues, you can only breed dilutes from dilutes or birds with dilute genes and they are sex linked!

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

no one seems to understand me lol . if to breed a barless blue to get a barless blue . what was the first ever barless blue bred from ?????

[Kyleakin Lofts]

As I said earlier, I think they were genetically modified.  Contact Ian Noble via Scottish Homing Union.  He has them direct from Matt White and is able to give you all the info, first hand.

[Guest grizzler]

no one seems to understand me lol . if to breed a barless blue to get a barless blue . what was the first ever barless blue bred from ?????

 

its a pretty safe bet that barless comes from one of the fancy breeds originally.

[Guest beautyhomer]

no one seems to understand me lol . if to breed a barless blue to get a barless blue . what was the first ever barless blue bred from ?????

 

You do not need a barless blue to breed one,the colour of the pigeon is not important but it needs the patern gene barless.The first barless pigeon would have been a mutation like all the other colours and patterns discovered through domestication.The wild type is a barred blue.

[Guest beautyhomer]

 

its a pretty safe bet that barless comes from one of the fancy breeds originally.

 

Yes,as racing pigeons are a combination of several fancy breeds including smerles and cumulets.

[Guest Doade]

Most of the barless pigeons I have seen have been of german origin. There are lots of german toy pigeons in many breeds that are barless.