eyesign opinions please.

[Guest mick bowler]

Can i just say that a good friend went thru all 14 and was 100% right! He had no previous knowledge of these birds.

[pjc]

1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 &12

[Guest mick bowler]

can you put what the 3 racers are and what 5 are related please  

[Guest WINGS 04]

racers 3 8 10 the same 1 4 10 11 12

[Guest]

Just for a bit of fun I'll say 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 12, and 14

 

2, 8, and 9 racers

[b.massey]

1,2,4,9,8,10,12,14

 

Thats the 8 I shal guess

[Shortcut Lofts]

2, 7, and 8 Racers - I think!

[Guest]

Can those who have selected pairings give there reason as to why please.

 

I dont study eyesign a great deal but it would help to understand if people said why they would pick such and such an eye for pairing.

 

Sorry to jump in Mick

 

I have my own theory on eyesign Chris........... If it looks nice and healthy it is good enough for me ;D ;D The only thing I try to do when pairing is put Gold to Pearl. For all I know I may have paired 2 cocks or 2 hens together as Mick failed to say what the sexes were, and as far as I know you cannot tell the sex by looking in the eye. (Unless she flashes her eyelids and winks at you  ;D ;D ;D)

[DODC]

4, 1, 9, 10, 14 Related,Racers 4, 1.

[edwards]

my good vet mate says there for looking out of thats all are these janssen based birds mick they look familer?

mick are they janssen pigeons or based?

 

[Guest mick bowler]

mick are they janssen pigeons or based?

 

Sorry missed that.

 

None what you would call direct or from Janssen pigeons, but as most families have Janssen in you could say possibly, if you know what i mean!

 

 

 

 

[JAS]

For a bit of fun i say 1,2,3,4,11 related. 2, 10, 11 birds that have won. 12 and 14 to pair together if cock & hen as no.14 is the best i think.

[Guest]

For a bit of fun i say 1,2,3,4,11 related. 2, 10, 11 birds that have won. 12 and 14 to pair together if cock & hen as no.14 is the best i think.

 

stick to eye spy, 8) ;D

[Mealy Cock]

The best eyesign will be in the pigeon that lands first after a race. If you want to evaluate the eyesign of a pigeon, it is best to do it after the racing season. Rank the birds in order of their results and then look at the eyes.

My problem in the grading of eyesign is that if it worked the "Experts" would be unbeatable. And again if it worked there would be no point in races. All we would need to do would be to check the eyesign before the race and award the prizes. Think of the money we could save if we could stop training. The problem of the BOP would be solved. There would be no need to let the birds out.

Do you know there are a lot of fads and fantasies in pigeon racing and eyesign must rank as one of the biggest. It can be put up there with the idea of Strains and Wing Theory. Quickly followed by the Golden Couple.

The short cut to winning pigeons is easy enough to follow. Just pair the best to the best, over and over again. This is regardless of origins, but avoiding close relations.

 

 

 

Strange conclusion, How do you know which is the best? What assessment do you make to arrive at that conclusion!

 

My example, I restarted back in the sport in the nineties.

I first bought a red Janssen cock purely on eye sign and handing, the rest I bought the same applied

My 1st season racing old birds†yearlingsâ€, 8 widowhood cocks,  a son of the Janssen cock won 5 individual 1st prizes

Plus a 1st 3rd 5th 12th fed, club sent 450 birds per week, fed 2.500.

Total out of 8 inland races 6 firsts, 5 seconds, 3 thirds 2 fourths plus seven fed cards in the first 14.

The following year the nest mate to the above cock and a nephew “ came together†won the club by 84yds per min  68 miles race and topped the fed by 25yds per min. Again two weeks later won

1st & 2nd club by 40yds per min and 1st & 2nd fed by 15yds per min, different pair,  all achieved by paring by eye sign

 

Food for thought

 

Only good eye is 14 on photo value for breeding, not the best eye's I have seen as per photo

 

[Mealy Cock]

The best eyesign will be in the pigeon that lands first after a race. If you want to evaluate the eyesign of a pigeon, it is best to do it after the racing season. Rank the birds in order of their results and then look at the eyes.

My problem in the grading of eyesign is that if it worked the "Experts" would be unbeatable. And again if it worked there would be no point in races. All we would need to do would be to check the eyesign before the race and award the prizes. Think of the money we could save if we could stop training. The problem of the BOP would be solved. There would be no need to let the birds out.

Do you know there are a lot of fads and fantasies in pigeon racing and eyesign must rank as one of the biggest. It can be put up there with the idea of Strains and Wing Theory. Quickly followed by the Golden Couple.

The short cut to winning pigeons is easy enough to follow. Just pair the best to the best, over and over again. This is regardless of origins, but avoiding close relations.

 

 

 

Strange conclusion, How do you know which is the best? What assessment do you make to arrive at that conclusion!

 

My example, I restarted back in the sport in the nineties.

I first bought a red Janssen cock purely on eye sign and handing, the rest I bought the same applied

My 1st season racing old birds†yearlingsâ€, 8 widowhood cocks,  a son of the Janssen cock won 5 individual 1st prizes

Plus a 1st 3rd 5th 12th fed, club sent 450 birds per week, fed 2.500.

Total out of 8 inland races 6 firsts, 5 seconds, 3 thirds 2 fourths plus seven fed cards in the first 14.

The following year the nest mate to the above cock and a nephew “ came together†won the club by 84yds per min  68 miles race and topped the fed by 25yds per min. Again two weeks later won

1st & 2nd club by 40yds per min and 1st & 2nd fed by 15yds per min, different pair,  all achieved by paring by eye sign

 

Food for thought

 

Only good eye is 14 on photo value for breeding, not the best eye's I have seen as per photo

 

[Guest Owen]

I find it truly amazing that anyone can waste valuable time and money following something so obviously a load of nonsense. Why not ask Geof Cooper of Peasedown St. John to explain it to you. He studied it for years and ended up throwing it into the bin.

There are plenty of important things concerned with pigeons and pigeon racing that would be of great use to you. Eyesign is not one of them. Did you know that Ad Schearleckens has said that the Dutch do not even have a word for eyesign and laugh about the idea.

The Belgiums do not bother with it. It is only a minority of Brits that seem to want to promote it.

  

[Guest]

I find it truly amazing that anyone can waste valuable time and money following something so obviously a load of nonsense. Why not ask Geof Cooper of Peasedown St. John to explain it to you. He studied it for years and ended up throwing it into the bin.

There are plenty of important things concerned with pigeons and pigeon racing that would be of great use to you. Eyesign is not one of them. Did you know that Ad Schearleckens has said that the Dutch do not even have a word for eyesign and laugh about the idea.

The Belgiums do not bother with it. It is only a minority of Brits that seem to want to promote it.

  

Yes but heaven forbid if you disagree with those 'british eyesign experts'!   ??)   The fan of this eyesign then go to another scientific method called Iridology which can't be compared as the pigeon eye is nothing like the human eye.  The more I read up on it the more I think its genuinely a load of nonsense because for one you can't see the heart and spirit in the bird just by looking at the eye and that is what many a good winner has.

 

 

[Guest gladdo]

can i ask a question reguards eye signs...is there birds with the called beauty eyes that are bad birds...no way can you surely tell by an eye how good the birds are ??????????? or can you ??????? mikey .... there eye always looks lovely after they win and another thing is an ugly bird always looks nicer when he wins...come on explain this ....mikey ....

[betty boo]

my choice 5x14  1x10 2x9 if cocks or hens they all have decent eyes but would not

win eye class at a show. bare in mind it takes more than the eye to win races or breed

winners the best eye is the basket.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I find it truly amazing that anyone can waste valuable time and money following something so obviously a load of nonsense. Why not ask Geof Cooper of Peasedown St. John to explain it to you. He studied it for years and ended up throwing it into the bin.

There are plenty of important things concerned with pigeons and pigeon racing that would be of great use to you. Eyesign is not one of them. Did you know that Ad Schearleckens has said that the Dutch do not even have a word for eyesign and laugh about the idea.

The Belgiums do not bother with it. It is only a minority of Brits that seem to want to promote it.

  

IF YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT DONT SAY ITS A LOAD OF NONSENCE BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU IT ISNT,I have been breeding winners for years by pairing up birds on nothing else but their eyes,and as for you saying Geof Copper doesnt believe in it he gave me First prize in a class of over 90 birds last year to a pigeon that as won cards all over the country so there must be something in it.

[jimmy_bulger]

think 1,5,10,13 related would pair 4 & 8 together

[Mealy Cock]

More food for thought!

 

Example, back in the sixties I purchased a red swing clear cock, beautiful handling balanced pigeon.

It was always behind in the price list, now according to what has been written the bird was fit for the pan.

 

This bird had one good this going for it, the bird had the most fantastic rare green eye sign you have ever seen.

 

Guess what the cock bread winner’s year in year out with different hens one notable son was "roof man" multiple prize winner raced on the natural system. "The red hen" won the club by half an hour from Rennes 375 miles five birds made it home by night fall two was off the red cock.

 

How do you explain this? For every argument, there is a counter argument.

 

[Guest Owen]

PIGEOM-MAN,

There you go again making assumptions. You assume that I have done no work on eyesign. When I first heard of it, I spent hours studying it from all angles. I have looked at thousands of pigeons eyes and I have tracked the record of the birds I have seen, both as breeders and as racers. I still have the original book produced on the subject that was written by S.W.E. Bishop in the sixties. And yes there are birds with fantastic eyesign breeding winners. And there are plenty of birds with poor eyesign breeding winners. When I said that I believe it to be a load of rubbish, I did so from a position of plenty of investigation behind me. Now then, you are entitled to believe what ever you want. And put your point across as forceably as you like. But until you can prove that the theory has real truth behind it I think you should try to avoid misleading people. Because, if you were right you would only keep winning pigeons that all win races and never have a poor bird in your loft at any time. You and all the other eyesign people should be unbeatable. Are you?

More than 50 years have passed since the eyesign theory was first published and became common knowledge. If it was any good someone would have collected up a hord of birds with perfect eyesign and made fortunes from it. Sorry but it is just a figment of imagination.    

[Guest bigda]

don't see the point in educating the dumb  on  here  :X mate there teachers  wasted  a whole 15-18 years   on them and  they still  cant take it in ,  a  pointless exercise  mate i would love to see there faces  if they  would let the eyes sign men in there shed and be allowed to take,   for nothing the ones they picked out.  if any ;D ;D

[PIGEON_MAN]

PIGEOM-MAN,

There you go again making assumptions. You assume that I have done no work on eyesign. When I first heard of it, I spent hours studying it from all angles. I have looked at thousands of pigeons eyes and I have tracked the record of the birds I have seen, both as breeders and as racers. I still have the original book produced on the subject that was written by S.W.E. Bishop in the sixties. And yes there are birds with fantastic eyesign breeding winners. And there are plenty of birds with poor eyesign breeding winners. When I said that I believe it to be a load of rubbish, I did so from a position of plenty of investigation behind me. Now then, you are entitled to believe what ever you want. And put your point across as forceably as you like. But until you can prove that the theory has real truth behind it I think you should try to avoid misleading people. Because, if you were right you would only keep winning pigeons that all win races and never have a poor bird in your loft at any time. You and all the other eyesign people should be unbeatable. Are you?

More than 50 years have passed since the eyesign theory was first published and became common knowledge. If it was any good someone would have collected up a hord of birds with perfect eyesign and made fortunes from it. Sorry but it is just a figment of imagination.    

 

No problem Owen you believe what you like and Ill do the same,but I still cant believe you say its noncence if you have done as much investigation work into it  as you say you have.If you get the chance have a chat to Jack Barkel on here perhaps he may be able enlighten you more.