PmV vaccine? = Canker??

[lofty]

I vaccinated against PMV 5 weeks ago and again last week

a couple of days ago I noticed the feathers where sticking up on one of my birds neck

on closer investigation it had a large scab on the back of its neck with a large swelling underneath which I GENTLY squeased (more to see if it was atached underneath)

But the skin sudenly split and a large Cankerous lump came out about 2cm X1 cm

along with what looked like short stubby roots, there was hardly any blood and I washed the resultant hole out with Iodine solution.This bird seems to be recovering well. But...

On close inspection today 3 other birds  also had the same thing, only much worse.

I have had to cull these birds, which by the way were quite rare Oriental rollers

as you may imagine I am really P**** off by this and worried that more birds are going to go the same way.

Has anyone else experienced this?

PS I only used One needle per 2 birds,One syringe per 5 birds (a fresh needle and syringe to draw up the vaccine eliminating any possibility of contamination of the vial (I am a registered nurse) and wiped the skin of each bird with surgical spirit first

 

This has put me off using oil based vaccines in the future.

PS again

I know this had nothing to do with last weeks vaccination becouse one of the affected birds wasn't done then, he just had a booster 5 weeks ago.

Lofty

[majorpet]

I vaccinated against PMV 5 weeks ago and again last week

a couple of days ago I noticed the feathers where sticking up on one of my birds neck

on closer investigation it had a large scab on the back of its neck with a large swelling underneath which I GENTLY squeased (more to see if it was atached underneath)

But the skin sudenly split and a large Cankerous lump came out about 2cm X1 cm

along with what looked like short stubby roots, there was hardly any blood and I washed the resultant hole out with Iodine solution.This bird seems to be recovering well. But...

On close inspection today 3 other birds  also had the same thing, only much worse.

I have had to cull these birds, which by the way were quite rare Oriental rollers

 

 

as you may imagine I am really P**** off by this and worried that more birds are going to go the same way.

Has anyone else experienced this?

PS I only used One needle per 2 birds,One syringe per 5 birds (a fresh needle and syringe to draw up the vaccine eliminating any possibility of contamination of the vial (I am a registered nurse) and wiped the skin of each bird with surgical spirit first

 

This has put me off using oil based vaccines in the future.

PS again

I know this had nothing to do with last weeks vaccination becouse one of the affected birds wasn't done then, he just had a booster 5 weeks ago.

Lofty

 

never had that in all the time ive been injecting for p.m.v.

 

majorpet

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

who on earth told you to vaccinate them 5 weeks after you had already done them ?

[Guest j.bamling]

we have started to use nobi vac we find it a better vaccine but have also used columbovac without any problems

[Guest TAMMY_1]

we have started to use nobi vac we find it a better vaccine but have also used columbovac without any problems

 

HAVE USED NOBI VAC FOR YEARS NOW AND HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT

[PIGEON_MAN]

I vaccinated against PMV 5 weeks ago and again last week

 

Are you saying you vaccinated the same birds 5 weeks after the first dose,If so no wonder you have problems the second dose supposed to be 12 months after the first.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

Are you saying you vaccinated the same birds 5 weeks after the first dose,If so no wonder you have problems the second dose supposed to be 12 months after the first.

 

 

exactly what i said, can't believe they have vaccinated same birds twice in that time

[Guest]

Although colombovac leaflet gives warning of a side effect 'occasionally a transient little swelling at the injection site may occur' nobilis leaflet gives no similar warning.

 

Fom memory, picked up from authors decribing autopsy reports that a small 'lesion' under the skin might be expected at the site of a pmv vaccination.

 

What you describe isn't canker but the birds normal reaction to infection, our bodies produce 'pus', pigeons don't , they produce a yellow cheesy stuff instead which I suppose could be mistaken for canker cos its exactly the same stuff.  

 

My guess is some contamination on the needle. Supposed to jab the needle into a damp sponge [sitting in surgical spirit] before vaccinating the bird, then jab it into the sponge before doing the next one. I also prod a fingertip on the sponge and dab that over the vaccination site too.

 

If I read your post correctly, you repeated dose after 5 weeks, which is not required until 12 months, but I doubt that it was this that caused lumps.

 

 

 

 

[Roland]

who on earth told you to vaccinate them 5 weeks after you had already done them ?

 

Old hat that Tammy, don't you believe it. Many do it 3 times in a year now! From 2 weeks onwards.

[Guest shadow]

 

Old hat that Tammy, don't you believe it. Many do it 3 times in a year now! From 2 weeks onwards.

 

why when there is no need to do it more than once a year no wonder some birds have no immune system

 

 

[lofty]

The book 'fit to win' BY DR Wim Peters

Reccomends a booster dose 4 weeks after the primary dose!!!!!

 

And please don't shout at me TAMMY

It is that atitude of ridicule when people  ask for advice that keeps newcomers away from the hobby

so that it ends up with the same old 'crumblies' and no new faces!!!!!

Lofty

[Wiley]

I vaccinated against PMV 5 weeks ago and again last week

a couple of days ago I noticed the feathers where sticking up on one of my birds neck

on closer investigation it had a large scab on the back of its neck with a large swelling underneath which I GENTLY squeased (more to see if it was atached underneath)

But the skin sudenly split and a large Cankerous lump came out about 2cm X1 cm

along with what looked like short stubby roots, there was hardly any blood and I washed the resultant hole out with Iodine solution.This bird seems to be recovering well. But...

On close inspection today 3 other birds  also had the same thing, only much worse.

I have had to cull these birds, which by the way were quite rare Oriental rollers

as you may imagine I am really P**** off by this and worried that more birds are going to go the same way.

Has anyone else experienced this?

PS I only used One needle per 2 birds,One syringe per 5 birds (a fresh needle and syringe to draw up the vaccine eliminating any possibility of contamination of the vial (I am a registered nurse) and wiped the skin of each bird with surgical spirit first

 

This has put me off using oil based vaccines in the future.

PS again

I know this had nothing to do with last weeks vaccination becouse one of the affected birds wasn't done then, he just had a booster 5 weeks ago.

Lofty

 

 

I had this with one of my best breeders, however i didnt play with the scab, however realized it must have been an infection, hence the reason i left it took ages for this lump to clear but eventually did and is fine still breeding the good

 

[Guest]

The book 'fit to win' BY DR Wim Peters

Reccomends a booster dose 4 weeks after the primary dose!!!!!

 

Hi there, in previous posts I have recommended that before you even go near the birds read the leaflet that comes with your vaccine first to refresh your memory on the ins and outs, and follow the manufacturer's instructions to the letter.

 

The reason I say this is because colombovac and nobilis are two entirely different types of vaccine, different doses, and different 'takes effect' periods, and it is very easy to get them confused. Nobilis for example [from memory] only takes effect after 5 weeks, so Wim's advice to boost within that period should really have rung your alarm bells. Colombovac is 2 weeks.

 

Know you are new to the Site, but you should be aware that in veterinary circles there's worldwide concern that even an annual vaccination may be harmful / is not needed for any animal, so Wim Peters may be out of step on this occasion with his advice.

 

 

 

[nutverlal]

I think you have protien pox.

 

I have experience the proyein pox on my birds but never killed any.

 

I think next time you get quick to killing put on a message on this excellent site, where many other fanciers will give you free advise.

 

Many thanks

[jimmy white]

I vaccinated against PMV 5 weeks ago and again last week

a couple of days ago I noticed the feathers where sticking up on one of my birds neck

on closer investigation it had a large scab on the back of its neck with a large swelling underneath which I GENTLY squeased (more to see if it was atached underneath)

But the skin sudenly split and a large Cankerous lump came out about 2cm X1 cm

along with what looked like short stubby roots, there was hardly any blood and I washed the resultant hole out with Iodine solution.This bird seems to be recovering well. But...

On close inspection today 3 other birds  also had the same thing, only much worse.

I have had to cull these birds, which by the way were quite rare Oriental rollers

as you may imagine I am really P**** off by this and worried that more birds are going to go the same way.

Has anyone else experienced this?

PS I only used One needle per 2 birds,One syringe per 5 birds (a fresh needle and syringe to draw up the vaccine eliminating any possibility of contamination of the vial (I am a registered nurse) and wiped the skin of each bird with surgical spirit first

 

This has put me off using oil based vaccines in the future.

PS again

I know this had nothing to do with last weeks vaccination becouse one of the affected birds wasn't done then, he just had a booster 5 weeks ago.

Lofty

 

so one of these birds were vaccinated once ,, i think maybe the vaccination might have been a bit strong for this type of fancy pigeon , maybe half a dose ,once a year would be enough, worth asking the vet ,,,,,good luck with them