Illness with Young Birds

[Guest dibble]

think your right there mick.b think it was racing just trying to puy some  thing for the guy to take into consideration as a lot of people dont realise what's doing the rounds with our birds at the moment and which have been for a while now

[Guest B@C WARD]

If the problem has started with bringing in a new young bird then eliminate it.  treat all the birds with Fural.  Hope this helps.  

 

Cheers.

[Guest joshdonlan]

May sound a bit grusome, but try to disect one of the dead ones to see what the crop is full of. Seen this on a dvd and the crops were full of lorrel buds. Just a though, but if you do it wear gloves and a mask and do it away from any other birds or lofts.

[Sajfos]

Be clear please ...have the birds lost weight Today or over a period of time ? The Birds are unlikely to have lost weight in just the time they spent outdoors , indicating a problem already existing .

Had the ones that died been outside Today ?

Had You noticed anything "out of the ordinary" ? , if so when ?

 

Without clarification You cannot really make any educated guesses .

Whereabouts are You situated ?

 

Steve...

[Guest]

this can be a problem with trying to help someone without all the facts we will all liken it to something that we have experienced which in its self isnt wrong but could be 100% wrong and do more harm than good i have to aggree with bigda there is not allot of  info to make a decision as to  what is wrong it seems new stock has been added can i ask have you seen anything in the lead up to the deaths and dont take this the wrong way would you know the tell tale sighn,s to look for ?

[Sajfos]

Be clear please ...have the birds lost weight Today or over a period of time ? The Birds are unlikely to have lost weight in just the time they spent outdoors , indicating a problem already existing .

Had the ones that died been outside Today ?

Had You noticed anything "out of the ordinary" ? , if so when ?

 

Without clarification You cannot really make any educated guesses .

Whereabouts are You situated ?

 

Steve...

[terry mccarthy]

my young birds got strepptococci bovis they went to race in top form perfect weight no sign at all withinn 24 hrs of return from race loads were dead lost 40 in total servere weight loss droppings well if u can call them that just pudlles of water hunched up trembling then death not a nice thing

[Guest]

Be clear please ...have the birds lost weight Today or over a period of time ? The Birds are unlikely to have lost weight in just the time they spent outdoors , indicating a problem already existing .

Had the ones that died been outside Today ?

Had You noticed anything "out of the ordinary" ? , if so when ?

 

Without clarification You cannot really make any educated guesses .

Whereabouts are You situated ?

 

Steve...

 

beat you with the second one LOL!!!

[white logan]

ANY OTHER DISEASES YOU LOT CAN THINK OF THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED

 

For Gods sake

 

yeh i agree with you mate , just take em to a vet or bin em , better binning them now anyway then they aint flying round infecting other birds , kill em all

[Guest Owen]

redcheqhen

that was a bit ungratious. People are doing their best to help a friend and you want to shout your head off. Shame on you.

Obviously there will be a wide variety of experience and knowledge behind the replies but I am sure that everyone is doing what they can to help. Equally obviously, the fanciers with problems know full well that their best course of action is to consult with an Avian Vet but it does no harm to find out what others think. And most people who have been in the sport for a while will have learned many things. Surely there is no harm in sharing what knowledge anyone possesses. I would like to think that this forum allows those who are part of it to express themselves without the risk of someone in your position shouting at them. All it takes is for anyone to place their views on display for evaluation. If what you say makes sense, then you will be respected. If on the other hand you shout and bawl at people you will not be regarded as a person worth listening to.

humbly yours

Owen

[Guest IB]

Do Nothing - don't queer the pitch for the vet.

 

I think Redcheqhen is right. Put another way, when pigeons are dying it's too late to come on a forum like this and ask for blind advice; its already gone way beyond first aid and it's a professional that's needed  so consult an avian vet ASAP. I am sorry but that is the only sensible advice that I feel I can offer.  

 

 

[Tony C]

Do Nothing - don't queer the pitch for the vet.

 

I think Redcheqhen is right. Put another way, when pigeons are dying it's too late to come on a forum like this and ask for blind advice; its already gone way beyond first aid and it's a professional that's needed  so consult an avian vet ASAP. I am sorry but that is the only sensible advice that I feel I can offer.  

 

 

Despair comes to mind IB

[terry mccarthy]

how long has it been going on for is the most inportant thing

[jimmy white]

Ok I need some urgent help. We have had about 6 young birds die in the past hour and nothing we know could of caused it. The symptoms are weakness in the legs they have collapsed and there breathing is really bad they are all the same, they are gasping for air also a loss of weight in the young birds.

 

Need a reply as soon as possible plus thank you for your help!

 

hi robert sorry to here of your plight,, but with due respect , in one post you say they were perfect when you let them out,, then in another you said they had lost weight??

if they were perfect when you let them out , and become ill this quick, i would think some sort of poison,, but if theive lost weight previous to this would suspect something else, my advise would be , to do as tony c says ,,asap,, hope things sort themselves out as im sure this is very worrying for you, maybe, just poss, that some underlining trouble was there b4 you let them out, but too difficult to tell over  rthe internet

[Guest Owen]

IB

of course you are right to point out the redcheqhen is right. Without doubt her sentiments are right, but her attitude definately is not. I think we have right to expect a bit more discretion from someone in her position. And I hope she will take my comments in good humour because I made them in an attempt to iron out some of the bad feeling comments like that could easily generate.

Anyone with sick birds would do well to find an Avian Vet that they know and trust, and go there first. But on the other hand, we all want to learn all we can so that we can help ourselves or at least try to avoid trouble. I have seen some very good information on this forum and I hope it will continue.

[pjc]

Any updates on the birds and response from the vet as to the cause?

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

I do remember that weed killer was put on the boundary fence last october and we have seen them picking in that area today

They were healthy when we let them out, they been fed and watered, 20 mins listless, lose feathering, can not stand, gasping for air

 

also thank you all for your fast responses

 

 

 

 

What weedkiller was used?

 

Robert mentions weedkiller being used – I asked what I thought was the most important question – as if it was Sodium Chlorate poisoning – it gives the symptoms mentioned – especially the gasping for breath and there is an antidote

 

 

redcheqhen

that was a bit ungratious. People are doing their best to help a friend and you want to shout your head off. Shame on you.

Obviously there will be a wide variety of experience and knowledge behind the replies but I am sure that everyone is doing what they can to help. Equally obviously, the fanciers with problems know full well that their best course of action is to consult with an Avian Vet but it does no harm to find out what others think. And most people who have been in the sport for a while will have learned many things. Surely there is no harm in sharing what knowledge anyone possesses. I would like to think that this forum allows those who are part of it to express themselves without the risk of someone in your position shouting at them. All it takes is for anyone to place their views on display for evaluation. If what you say makes sense, then you will be respected. If on the other hand you shout and bawl at people you will not be regarded as a person worth listening to.

humbly yours

Owen

 

 

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[Guest IB]

IB

of course you are right to point out the redcheqhen is right. Without doubt her sentiments are right, but her attitude definately is not. I think we have right to expect a bit more discretion from someone in her position. And I hope she will take my comments in good humour because I made them in an attempt to iron out some of the bad feeling comments like that could easily generate.

Anyone with sick birds would do well to find an Avian Vet that they know and trust, and go there first. But on the other hand, we all want to learn all we can so that we can help ourselves or at least try to avoid trouble. I have seen some very good information on this forum and I hope it will continue.

 

Owen, I think Redcheqhen's point was that everyone was posting different opinions and the thread ended up like an A to Z of pigeon ailments. Personally, I do not see any value doing that, (a) the person could end up thinking they have every disease there is in the loft and ( as has already happened on this forum, one person literally gave his birds everything that had been suggested on the thread for all the different illnesses that had been suggested for his birds. Turned out everyone's opinions were wrong too - the problem had nothing to do with illness, it was internal injury down to type of feeding.

 

Sometimes too the symptoms are contradictory. If you look at the original post on this thread, the birds were OK till they were let out, were fed back in, and then suddenly started dying ... and losing weight .... so basically, the birds being let out and fed back-in appears to be a red-herring, and as Jimmy White suggests, something was probably working on these birds for a while, causing them to lose weight, and now there are deaths. Sorry, but in my opinion that is way beyond the stage where folk here can help, and telling the person that it could be A to Z is far from helpful, or reassuring, I'd find it frightening.

 

For me pigeons are generally very healthy creatures, they take a while to reach this stage, and the trick (if it is a trick) is to check them over everytime you go into the loft, watching for any changes in behaviour, smell, noise etc - basically anything out of the ordinary. If anything does catch your eye, then whatever it is you've caught it early, so pop that bird into isolation and watch it for 2/3 days or until you are happy there's nothing wrong. It is far easier to watch one bird / treat one bird than treat a whole loft. I know there are some who say let it run its course through the whole team. That to me is nonsense, you are there to stop disease spreading, and if it's something major, then you risk losing the whole loft to it. Keep control at all times.

[Guest Owen]

IB

I can not argue with the logic of what you say. And yes, there will always be the person who will want to accept this sort advice when it would be more sensible to go and consult a Vet. All this I have mentioned previously.

My problem is with the attitude of someone who should know better. I think I have made my point and it is up to you, and everyone who reads this, to make up their minds on what is, or is not, acceptable behaviour.

That is my point and I will say no more on this subject.

  

[Guest bigda]

if its  weed killer, or rat poison, most anecdotes are  vitamin k  but to me it aint poison