big youngster small youngster salts and y

[andrew gooch]

can any of u fanciers tell me y u should give salt when young are in the nest ,especily when u see one big one and one small one.and which salts do u give and at what dose.

[kev43]

plenty grit and minerals but not black as too much salt in it,,, i give daily but wasnt givin them enuf as i learnt yesterday

[Guest vander mungo]

can any of u fanciers tell me y u should give salt when young are in the nest ,especily when u see one big one and one small one.and which salts do u give and at what dose.

 

black minerals,will supply all the salt intake they need.but be careful to mutch will make them wet feed there youngsters.

             pink ones daily, black ones every 3rd day

[andrew gooch]

plenty grit and minerals but not black as too much salt in it,,, i give daily but wasnt givin them enuf as i learnt yesterday

 

2much salt or 2 much mierals.

[andrew gooch]

 

black minerals,will supply all the salt intake they need.but be careful to mutch will make them wet feed there youngsters.

             pink ones daily, black ones every 3rd day

 

nice 2 get a reply but how dose this help u with 1 big young 1 small young

[Guest Jargre-]

Salt will damage the kidneys of young un's the red mineral blocks are good enough to give them.

[andrew gooch]

Salt will damage the kidneys of young un's the red mineral blocks are good enough to give them.

 

i dont think thay will help the small one.

[andrew gooch]

107 members on line and still no common sence,2 y u should try salt that the adult birds crave y cus its not made by a vet i gess

[Guest vander mungo]

 

nice 2 get a reply but how dose this help u with 1 big young 1 small young

 

your problem with big and small young ,is probably down to hen sitting to tight on first egg because of the cold weather.your then left with a 2 day hatch between young, sometimes they catch up sometimes they dont

                               ive had this problem myself with early breeding

[Tumley Lofts Stud]

Hi Andrew. Keep meaning to PM you!

 

Not that this will help much but as a matter of interest for all we have red stone grit, black minerals and pick stone in front of the birds 24/7. We top up once per week.We don't have any problems with wet feeders. They only thing is if you are getting one big and one small young one in the same nest maybe it's because the first egg is being incubated from the day it is laid! This maybe due to the extra cold weather we have had this year!

 

This maybe of use to someone!

 

Cheers, James

[andrew gooch]

Hi Andrew. Keep meaning to PM you!

 

Not that this will help much but as a matter of interest for all we have red stone grit, black minerals and pick stone in front of the birds 24/7. We top up once per week.We don't have any problems with wet feeders. They only thing is if you are getting one big and one small young one in the same nest maybe it's because the first egg is being incubated from the day it is laid! This maybe due to the extra cold weather we have had this year!

 

This maybe of use to someone!

 

Cheers, James

 

james ,

i dont have any problems and u should no better than 2 ask

just asking the qestion to see if any 1 knows how to doudle the size of the small ones over night with the use of eletro salt and vits.

hope your all ok not spoke in a while.

 

[Guest vander mungo]

 

james ,

i dont have any problems and u should no better than 2 ask

just asking the qestion to see if any 1 knows how to doudle the size of the small ones over night with the use of eletro salt and vits.

hope your all ok not spoke in a while.

never heard of this one before,how to double size of young with salts and vits.overnight.

only way i know is take one away then thers no size difference

 

 

[Guest IB]

I have never heard anyone connect a 'large' and 'small' youngster in the nest with giving / not giving minerals. It is a senseless connection since if there were any truth in it, either both youngsters would be small, or both would be be large.

 

I have had only two instances of large and small youngsters in the same nest (1) where nest contained cock & hen, hen was usually smaller; (2) where the nest contained a normal youngster & an abnormal one, a runt. Parents will not feed a youngster when they instinctively know there's something wrong with it, or the youngster will not beg for food as strongly as its nestmate, and consequently get nothing. In this case, removal, not minerals, is the cure.

[Guest Freebird]

Don't think salt has anything to do with the size of the wee chick. It is either not right or the parent sat the first egg too much hence the wee chick will be 2 days behind. I've got a pair of chicks like that now but the wee one seems fine. Nature will take it's course. Just give fresh minerals and grits every day. The birds are not daft, they will take only what they need. I think the most important thing when rearing youngsters is nowt in the water. Good luck.

[OLDYELLOW]

no mater what you feed a yb it aint going to grow two days worth in one day no matter what you feed it

[T_T]

Obvious one youngster is getting fed less than the other or hatched over a day later than the other.  When you feed the old birds, take the biggest youngster away and watch the parents feed the small youngster, then put the big one back and watch them feed that.  Do that for a week or so and I would be very suprised if the small one dosn't make up.  The other reason of course is that the small one could be the hen or is ailing.

Minerals should not make any difference to the different size of the youngsters.  In my case, they never get any minerals.  I think it gives them the squirts and they get sufficient minerals and vitamins in the corn mixes we have today.

[andrew gooch]

I have never heard anyone connect a 'large' and 'small' youngster in the nest with giving / not giving minerals. It is a senseless connection since if there were any truth in it, either both youngsters would be small, or both would be be large.

 

I have had only two instances of large and small youngsters in the same nest (1) where nest contained cock & hen, hen was usually smaller; (2) where the nest contained a normal youngster & an abnormal one, a runt. Parents will not feed a youngster when they instinctively know there's something wrong with it, or the youngster will not beg for food as strongly as its nestmate, and consequently get nothing. In this case, removal, not minerals, is the cure.

 

u may b right or may b wrong as young do suffer constipation as do human babies , the young get blocked up the salt makes them beg for more while cleaning them out if the salt contains calcium and glucose after giving 12 pairs 2lt ,1 days worth u follow this up with 1 day of glocose base vits thay dubble in size and the dropping come back normal ,is this y the parents crave salt 2 keep the youngs intestines clean.

 

also if u use a microscope u now that coci and worm eggs float on salt water think about it.

[Guest vander mungo]

Obvious one youngster is getting fed less than the other or hatched over a day later than the other.  When you feed the old birds, take the biggest youngster away and watch the parents feed the small youngster, then put the big one back and watch them feed that.  Do that for a week or so and I would be very suprised if the small one dosn't make up.  The other reason of course is that the small one could be the hen or is ailing.

Minerals should not make any difference to the different size of the youngsters.  In my case, they never get any minerals.  I think it gives them the squirts and they get sufficient minerals and vitamins in the corn mixes we have today.

 

i certainly wouldnt risk the corn having all the vits and minerals they need during breeding.

but everyone to there own

[T_T]

i certainly wouldnt risk the corn having all the vits and minerals they need during breeding.

but everyone to there own.

 

VM,

      Think you mis read me.  I didn't say ALL vits and MINS, I said SUFFICIENT.  Should others be required then I think they could be added through the drinker and the very best product i know for that is the Rhonfried product Gerwit W but as you rightly say, everyone to their own.

[Guest Freebird]

The only problem with these vits are a lot of them are synthesised and do not do what the natural vits do. They also lose any goodness as soon as they are opened so I beleive. Big money to be made in vits for humans to so we don't get all the facts. A good balanced diet, minerals, grits,greens,and fresh water is the best starting point, then whatever works for you i.e. garlic and cider vinegar but I would not expose breeders to these.

[Tony C]

A good chance they started to sit the first egg as soon as it was laid. If you've a few pairs with youngsters in the nest around the same age juggle them around, match 2 smallish ones together.

[Guest frank dooman]

 

u may b right or may b wrong as young do suffer constipation as do human babies , the young get blocked up the salt makes them beg for more while cleaning them out if the salt contains calcium and glucose after giving 12 pairs 2lt ,1 days worth u follow this up with 1 day of glocose base vits thay dubble in size and the dropping come back normal ,is this y the parents crave salt 2 keep the youngs intestines clean.

 

also if u use a microscope u now that coci and worm eggs float on salt water think about it.

 

andrew iam not going to ques you on any of this but if there is a vast difference its simple as far as iam concerned if i can move one of them to a nest with another the same size thats it done, failing that the small one has to go in my mind it will never come to anything but the whole truth is that well bred y/birds reared with good parents fed only on good corn should be enough i would not keep anything in the loft that cant do that its the 1st part of selection many more to come after that JMO

[Guest Freebird]

 

andrew iam not going to ques you on any of this but if there is a vast difference its simple as far as iam concerned if i can move one of them to a nest with another the same size thats it done, failing that the small one has to go in my mind it will never come to anything but the whole truth is that well bred y/birds reared with good parents fed only on good corn should be enough i would not keep anything in the loft that cant do that its the 1st part of selection many more to come after that JMO

 

Sound advise.

 

[jack]

 

your problem with big and small young ,is probably down to hen sitting to tight on first egg because of the cold weather.your then left with a 2 day hatch between young, sometimes they catch up sometimes they dont

                               ive had this problem myself with early breeding

same here

if it is two small your better of killing it

 

 

[gulkie]

 

i dont think thay will help the small one.

 

u say 1 small 1 large what's salt got to do with it,

if there's a big difference in size bin the small 1

there's enough salt in grit & pink minerals as it is ;)