Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Was given a bit of information regarding using tap water straight away when you are adding something to birds drinkers, was told the chlorine in the water can effect any items added to drinkers such as vitamins or medicines or any thing at all, was told to fill watering cans the night before and then use the de-chlorinated water for drinkers and this would make sure birds got benefit of anything in drinkers, makes sense when you think about it because the chlorine is added to kill things in the water so maybe it does effect the water , anybody got any ideas about this ? or does anybody do that with the water anyway;fill the night before ?
Guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 The fizzy-bit is the chlorine, Tam, and I've picked up that you only need to let it stand for 15 minutes for the chlorine to 'fizz-off' ;D Don't like the idea of letting water stand overnight. I like the water to be fresh and I'd be concerned that standing water could become contaminated.
Guest Hjaltland Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 This is a hot topic beside us Tammy. The water board have changed the chemicals which are added to the drinking water.. it now reeks strongly of swimming pool when you turn the tap on... my dad used it to change his garden pool water and was told it would kill his goldfish, he had to get some additive from the pet shop to nutralise the water. The public have complained badly about the chemicals - apparently it is called chloramine? and is ammonia and chlorine. Ennyhoo you cant get a decent cup of tea nowadays. I was wondering if it would effect the birds and indeed anything you might add to their water. I suppose if it doesnt hurt you it wont hurt the birds? mmmmm
Guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 You are Bang on Tammy! Some people boil the water before use, others let it stand for 24-48 hours. Either way, chlorine affects treatments / vitamins, so your birds are not getting the right dose of what is needed. Personally, we boil the water.
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 You are Bang on Tammy! Some people boil the water before use, others let it stand for 24-48 hours. Either way, chlorine affects treatments / vitamins, so your birds are not getting the right dose of what is needed. Personally, we boil the water. Boiling the water is probably better than letting it stand, at least you know once it is boiled there is nothing at all in the water
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 This is a hot topic beside us Tammy. The water board have changed the chemicals which are added to the drinking water.. it now reeks strongly of swimming pool when you turn the tap on... my dad used it to change his garden pool water and was told it would kill his goldfish, he had to get some additive from the pet shop to nutralise the water. The public have complained badly about the chemicals - apparently it is called chloramine? and is ammonia and chlorine. Ennyhoo you cant get a decent cup of tea nowadays. I was wondering if it would effect the birds and indeed anything you might add to their water. I suppose if it doesnt hurt you it wont hurt the birds? mmmmm Well use Tetley Tea and you will get a decent cuppa ;D , no seriously you have also highlighted the problem of things being added to water supplies which are meant to be helping us. helping us from what ? :-/
Guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 i let mine stand for 24 hours before using, as ive heard the same thing about it affecting treatments, guess there is somthing in the water lol....amanda ;D
David Home Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 I remember a tale of the late great jack adams. it was said that he alway's used to boil the kettle twice when making tea.
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 I remember a tale of the late great jack adams. it was said that he alway's used to boil the kettle twice when making tea. Why ?
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Big cups Tam! Knew there had to be a reasonable explanation for it ;D
Chatrace Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 We try and use onlt spring water, not out of a well,but from local springs that have been taped with a flow pipe. Has all the minerals from nature free,just get it tested to make sure it is a good spring. We fill 5 gallon jugs like those on water coolers. Always have 2 at the loft
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 We try and use onlt spring water, not out of a well,but from local springs that have been taped with a flow pipe. Has all the minerals from nature free,just get it tested to make sure it is a good spring. We fill 5 gallon jugs like those on water coolers. Always have 2 at the loft Are you selling any of it ?
Clarkey1990 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 I buy mineral water from lidls or aldis. Its like €4 for 10 two litre bottles. Thats only when i'm treating for something.
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 I buy mineral water from lidls or aldis. Its like €4 for 10 two litre bottles. Thats only when i'm treating for something. How much would that cost in real currency ? (Scottish Pounds ) ;D
Ronnie Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Chlorine is one of the only chemicals that can change the physical properties of another chemical or so i was told.Dunno what it actually change's stuff into mind. But it can maybe change good stuff to poisonous stuff
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 This is a hot topic beside us Tammy. The water board have changed the chemicals which are added to the drinking water.. it now reeks strongly of swimming pool when you turn the tap on... my dad used it to change his garden pool water and was told it would kill his goldfish, he had to get some additive from the pet shop to nutralise the water. The public have complained badly about the chemicals - apparently it is called chloramine? and is ammonia and chlorine. Ennyhoo you cant get a decent cup of tea nowadays. I was wondering if it would effect the birds and indeed anything you might add to their water. I suppose if it doesnt hurt you it wont hurt the birds? mmmmm WE JUST DO NOT KNOW FOR CERTAIN WHAT THE WATER COMPANIES ARE ADDING WITHOUT US KNOWING :-/
Roland Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Always let mine stand over night. Have a lid which fits and covers, and vents near the top of the 5 galleon 'Brewers' bucket.
Guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 How much would that cost in real currency ? (Scottish Pounds ) ;D £2.69p
Guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 How much would that cost in real currency ? (Scottish Pounds ) ;D nothing our water runs through the purple heather its good enough for us its good enough for the birds it might put some hair on there behinds
Guest Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Sure I posted this elsewhere a while back, extract from a 2003 World Health Organisation research on Chlorine. GENERAL DESCRIPTION Chlorine Cl2 Hypochlorous acid HOCl Sodium hypochlorite NaOCl Major uses Large amounts of chlorine are produced for use as disinfectants and bleach for both domestic and industrial purposes, and it is also widely used to disinfect drinking water and swimming pool water and to control bacteria and odours in the food industry. Estimated total exposure and relative contribution of drinking-water The major routes of exposure to chlorine are through drinking water, food, and contact with items either bleached or disinfected with it. EFFECTS ON LABORATORY ANIMALS AND IN VITRO TEST SYSTEMS Short-term exposure Rats : enhanced weight gain. (chlorine at 15.7 mg/kg of body weight per day for 6 weeks). Mice: an adverse effect on the macrophage defence mechanisms (chlorine at 4.8–5.8 mg/kg of body weight per day for 4 weeks.) Long-term exposure Rats: depression in body weight gain, depressed liver, brain, and heart weights, decreased salivary gland weights, decreased kidney weights. (sodium hypochlorite at 300 mg/kg of body weight per day for 2 years). Rats and mice: decrease in water consumption ( chlorine at up to 24 mg/kg of body weight per day for 2-years) Reproductive effects, embryotoxicity, and teratogenicity Oral administration of hypochlorite or hypochlorous acid at 8.0 mg/kg of body weight per day resulted, in the case of hypochlorite, in increases in the amount of sperm-head abnormalities in male mice. Mutagenicity and related end-points Sodium hypochlorite has been found to be mutagenic in Salmonella typhimurium . Calcium and sodium hypochlorite both produced chromosomal aberrations in Chinese hamster fibroblast cells without metabolic activation. EFFECTS ON HUMANS Exposure to chlorine, hypochlorous acid, and hypochlorite ion through ingestion of household bleach occurs most commonly in children. Intake of a small quantity of bleach generally results in irritation of the oesophagus, a burning sensation in the mouth and throat, and spontaneous vomiting. In these cases, it is not clear whether it is the sodium hypochlorite or the extremely caustic nature of the bleach that causes the tissue injury. It has been reported that asthma can be triggered by exposure to chlorinated water. Episodes of dermatitis have also been associated with exposure to chlorine and hypochlorite . In a study of 46 communities in central Wisconsin where chlorine levels in water ranged from 0.2 to 1 mg/litre, serum cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein levels were higher in communities using chlorinated water. Levels of high-density lipoprotein (HDL) and the cholesterol/HDL ratio were significantly elevated in relation to the level of calcium in the drinking-water, but only in communities using chlorinated water. The authors speculated that chlorine and calcium in drinking-water may interact in some way that affects lipid levels An increased risk of bladder cancer appeared to be associated with the consumption of chlorinated tapwater in a population-based, case–control study of adults consuming chlorinated or non-chlorinated water for half of their lifetimes .
DOVEScot Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Why no buy a water filter jug or fit a filter system to your main water feed, surely normal water would not affect every day drinking, but in the case of adding antibiotics etc, then use filtered water so it does not nutralise them Leaving the water overnight lets the chlorine evaporate, as far as fresh, the waters been in the pipe system for days before it gets to you There is an ultraviolet system that purifies your water, not sure about chlorine though Get a test kit from your pet shop and test your water, used for tropical fish to get correct water balance, ph levels, alkaline levels, acidic levels etc
andy Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Fill yor pale up with fresh tap water, then go and clean the loft out then change drinkers, most of the chlorine will evaporate by then. Mind thats only if you live in Scotland where we have soft drinking water, not so sure about other places ;D ;D
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