what do i treat for ?

[Wiley]

get yourself some cosumix Plus, be the first thing to treat for, if u cant get cosumix get yourself baytril and i would dose these birds for a minium of 12 days with a dead vaccination of paratyphoid perferable Sal-Bac. then get yourself a full test done for cocci, canker worms. However i wouldnt have obtained this birds in danger, of infecting your other birds

[just ask me]

get yourself some cosumix Plus, be the first thing to treat for, if u cant get cosumix get yourself baytril and i would dose these birds for a minium of 12 days with a dead vaccination of paratyphoid perferable Sal-Bac. then get yourself a full test done for cocci, canker worms. However i wouldnt have obtained this birds in danger, of infecting your other birds

 

whats cosumix  agree with your post

[Guest IB]

Having read the thread, I think these birds will have constitutions of iron, open hole and 'exposure' to vermin would almost guarantee that, otherwise, as others have said, they'd be dead.

 

But that doesn't mean your other birds are the same, the incomers may be carrying things they can deal with OK but which yours have never met. So quarantine for 2/3 weeks, at least, and clean & disinfect around them for the 1st week. And remember, your birds may be carrying something too that the incomers have never met before.....

 

Lots been said about Salmonella in other threads. There's about 2400 different strains, but a big issue is that only one strain infects pigeons. That could mean rats and mice have their own seperate strain(s) that may have no effect on pigeons. In other words a 1 in 2400 chance of infection from that source - either rats or mice, again according to the threads, it's unlikely you have both rats and mice living together in the same area..  

[just ask me]

Having read the thread, I think these birds will have constitutions of iron, open hole and 'exposure' to vermin would almost guarantee that, otherwise, as others have said, they'd be dead.

 

But that doesn't mean your other birds are the same, the incomers may be carrying things they can deal with OK but which yours have never met. So quarantine for 2/3 weeks, at least, and clean & disinfect around them for the 1st week.

 

Lots been said about Salmonella in other threads. There's about 2400 different strains, but a big issue is that only one strain infects pigeons. That could mean rats and mice have their own separate strain(s) that may have no effect on pigeons. In other words a 1 in 2400 chance of infection from that source - either rats or mice, again according to the threads, it's unlikely you have both..  

 

if that the case why is it one of the biggest problems in pigeon racing today and its only strees when this comes out as in the moult or move of home or stress with racing all the top flyer's now vaccinate  well if it goon enough for Davy hunt as he says it in cracked it 2 ronnie bigwoods film and many more top fliers i chat to i have seen the results since i have started to vacaite 5 losses or less in 5 years not bad at all i think

[Wiley]

 

whats cosumix  agree with your post

 

Cosumix is alot better product then baytril, its not as harsh as baytril on the birds immune system, and is a very valuable all round anti biotic,

[just ask me]

 

Cosumix is alot better product then baytril, its not as harsh as baytril on the birds immune system, and is a very valuable all round anti biotic,

 

where would u get this would be intrested

[steve]

every thing seems to come back to this or that antibiotic these days

maybe this is why the birds are geting all these ailments/diseases

maybe just a bit to antibiotic happy

just my opinion of course

[newbold]

frost bite ;D ;D ;D ;D

[andrew gooch]

if we flew on the continent and used vets such as herbots or de wiert and many others thay would advise to treat for paratyphs and salmonellosis befor pairing as it can be transported in egg these are people with extreme knowledge of our feathered friends

[weecunny]

has it took u that long ti c it steve

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

if that the case why is it one of the biggest problems in pigeon racing today and its only strees when this comes out as in the moult or move of home or stress with racing all the top flyer's now vaccinate  well if it goon enough for Davy hunt as he says it in cracked it 2 ronnie bigwoods film and many more top fliers i chat to i have seen the results since i have started to vacaite 5 losses or less in 5 years not bad at all i think

 

a) plenty more don't vaccinate

many of the top belgian vets DO NOT recommend vaccination

c) I know a few top fliers who have vaccinated for paratyphoid - and no longer do - because it ruined their old bird racing

 

Food for thought

[andrew gooch]

yes i did vaccinate for a few years but did not see any bennifit and the performance of the loft did not improve

[just ask me]

 

a) plenty more don't vaccinate

many of the top belgian vets DO NOT recommend vaccination

c) I know a few top fliers who have vaccinated for paratyphoid - and no longer do - because it ruined their old bird racing

 

Food for thought

 

like to know who the vets are  and there writeings would be very intrested as all the top books ive read wriiten by vets say its a must

 

and also the top flyres who say there old bird season was ruined by vaccinated for para and where this was said or what video

would really be intresed to hear what there opioion is as i have a open mind and love to learn so please help

[just ask me]

every thing seems to come back to this or that antibiotic these days

maybe this is why the birds are geting all these ailments/diseases

maybe just a bit to antibiotic happy

just my opinion of course

 

im not antibiotic happy at all bu would like any info that u can find and what avian vet would not tell u after pigeons being with rats nt to do for worms cocci canker and not to do for a course of paratyphoid  they would say to do this at the least it would be interesting if somehow we could get some sort of a fund together and pay a vet to come on here some night to answer questions like this say would make some pl change there mind

 

imagine ud find them hard to find

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

like to know who the vets are and there writeings would be very intrested as all the top books ive read wriiten by vets say its a must

 

and also the top flyres who say there old bird season was ruined by vaccinated for para and where this was said or what video

would really be intresed to hear what there opioion is as i have a open mind and love to learn so please help

 

De Weerdt for one Around Antwerp 9

the top flyers - I know - so it was word of mouth

[Guest IB]

 

if that the case why is it one of the biggest problems in pigeon racing today and its only strees when this comes out as in the moult or move of home or stress with racing all the top flyer's now vaccinate  well if it goon enough for Davy hunt as he says it in cracked it 2 ronnie bigwoods film and many more top fliers i chat to i have seen the results since i have started to vacaite 5 losses or less in 5 years not bad at all i think

 

Another thread quoted Armand Sheer as saying paratyphoid was a winter disease. Now if it was, as you say, stress-related, what stress do our birds have in the closed season? Surely periods of really high stress would be during spring & summer - training & racing?

 

And if it is one of the biggest problems in racing today (and it is a Notifiable Disease in the UK, and is transmissable to humans) so why isn't this massive problem reflected as such in any of the UK  Health Agencies' (Animal or Human) Annual Statistics?

 

Why is vaccination of Racing Pigeons not compulsory in UK, to protect poultry stocks, as in PMV-1?

  

[just ask me]

 

Another thread quoted Armand Sheer as saying paratyphoid was a winter disease. Now if it was, as you say, stress-related, what stress do our birds have in the closed season? Surely periods of really high stress would be during spring & summer - training & racing?

 

And if it is one of the biggest problems in racing today (and it is a Notifiable Disease in the UK, and is transmissable to humans) so why isn't this massive problem reflected as such in any of the UK  Health Agencies' (Animal or Human) Annual Statistics?

 

Why is vaccination of Racing Pigeons not compulsory in UK, to protect poultry stocks, as in PMV-1?

  

 

dont know anything  about it being transferable to humans id imagine so as regards it being in any uk annual statistics  that would mean that u would have to tell the deportment of agriculture and to have these pll down at your door in white suits  for a day and i know of no pigeon man that reports there reason for death to and department as regards time of year ive seen birds getting it any time of the year

[Guest IB]

 

dont know anything  about it being transferable to humans id imagine so as regards it being in any uk annual statistics  that would mean that u would have to tell the deportment of agriculture and to have these pll down at your door in white suits  for a day and i know of no pigeon man that reports there reason for death to and department as regards time of year ive seen birds getting it any time of the year

 

I think if you had something serious in your loft and didn't know what it was, your first call would (should?) be to an avian vet. If the disease was Notifiable, vet would report it.

 

Vet David Parsons  makes mention on his DVD of some pigeon diseases also being a danger to human health, and I'm sure he specifically mentioned salmonella. In his Microscope Course Notes CH2, he advises against examining tissue samples on a microscope 'The reason is some diseases are transmissable from pigeons to man. Chlamydia is one of these. If it killed your pigeon then it may kill you'.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Another thread quoted Armand Sheer as saying paratyphoid was a winter disease. Now if it was, as you say, stress-related, what stress do our birds have in the closed season? Surely periods of really high stress would be during spring & summer - training & racing?

 

And if it is one of the biggest problems in racing today (and it is a Notifiable Disease in the UK, and is transmissable to humans) so why isn't this massive problem reflected as such in any of the UK  Health Agencies' (Animal or Human) Annual Statistics?

 

Why is vaccination of Racing Pigeons not compulsory in UK, to protect poultry stocks, as in PMV-1?

  

 

Only stress in winter is the  moult which takes alot out of the birds so birds flying out whilst moulting would be under alot of stress a bird that is allowed to rest during this period will be less stressed

 

[sammy]

 

Only stress in winter is the  moult which takes alot out of the birds so birds flying out whilst moulting would be under alot of stress a bird that is allowed to rest during this period will be less stressed

[/quote  please explain how the moult which is a natural process can be stressful and takes a lot out of pigeons ??

[DJ]

hi all  well thanks again for all the replies  as i said b4 all of the new birds are being kept seperate and treated for worms,canker and cocci and then i will send some samples off to be tested   the reason i bought the new birds in was to breed from them as most of mine are an assortment of strays gathered over the last couple of years that the owners didnt want back  the fancier who gave me the birds raced them quite successfully but the paperwork i have been given only refers to 1946,47,and 48 when the fancier won diplomas and won the federation once  the card states that the vel was 779yds per minute if anyone can tel me what that means?  i also have a yellow certificates of origin dated 1997 stating that van hees were purchased from louella and also some white louella busschaert forms refering to pigeons called alamas and almeda that were gb 93 and 94 birds  are these long or short distance pigeons?  

                                                  debbie    

[Guest IB]

I agree with Sammy's thinking: I think that it is the fancier - certainly isn't the bird   - that builds the moult up to be something 'special' - surely it is just a natural process, and as such shouldn't stress the bird?