Disturibing News on Young Bird Death's

[Guest]

 

Depends on who it was Bob, but more than likely it would be a short 'mind your business' unless it was a 'genuine' government official who could prove who they were (not likely on the phone) and that's what most would say as you rightly posted.  Someone called me naive in an earlier post!  The naive one is the poster who openly states that most fancy would stay silent if they had a problem and not involve Defra, and even though the statement is absolutely true its nothing to boast about,  that's like a red rag to a bull.  Defra could quite easily use that kind of mentality statement to justify random spot checks on any fancier using the argument that as most fancyopenly declare they would not report a problem and are thus not to be trusted to declare a problem Defra have no choice other than to do spot checks.  My view is similar to yours, I probably wouldn't shout from the roofs if I had a problem but neither would I boast about the fact I kept things to myself when technically I am legally obliged to report things such as paratyphoid. (THAT'S NAIVETY!)   :-/

 

I don't think the person you refer to was boasting at all, simply stating the facts as you, I or anyone else is doing. This is not about personal issues or point scoring it's about about a topic that we are all faced with and everyones input is welcomed. JMO

Personally I would welcome the RPRA performing random checks on lofts or on transporters for that matter. At least it would keep people on their toes and rid the sport of the kind of people who have no consideration for other fanciers, never mind the welfare of their own birds. You know as well as I do that it is only those who are not conforming to RPRA rules regarding vaccination that tend to shout the loudest from the rooftops. I for one would welcome a stricter approach from our own governing body regarding vaccination. Perhaps as "swilcox" suggested a properly run database should be set up by the RPRA to document and control these problems instead of the shambles we have at the moment. I know this has deviated from the original post, but feel it is all relevant in trying to prevent the spread of these illnesses. Surely putting our own house in order is the right way of going about this rather than an outside source getting involved and putting a stop to our racing

[Guest]

I don't think the person you refer to was boasting at all, simply stating the facts as you, I or anyone else is doing. This is not about personal issues or point scoring it's about about a topic that we are all faced with and everyones input is welcomed. JMO

 

Hi Bob, this isn't about points scoring against anyone, I honestly think the person who made the sweeping statement was not thinking before he said it, no big deal but naive to say the least even if what he said was 100% true which I agreed with.  

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

well pete you have had birds long time so can answer fairly and truthfully the comment hideing things from authorities is done every day of the week?? by so many peaple but some get sussed out and delt with defra is only concerned in the main with plodding along and looking good on paper thats not to say that they wont act against failure to disclose i note a poster stateing defra does things for bop perhaps he can let us know what that is or i can goole it myself.i would surrgest that when he goes to his club he asks the members their view and think he will get shock on answer.s but also gives them his comments and views on matter :-/ :-/ :-/

[Guest numpty01]

we and we alone are responsable from this virus continueing because the system in place to inject is not secure enough we should all attend club with birds and they should all be done at same time and only birds that have sec name by fly

[Guest]

I agree and the vaccination sheet sent to RPRA and be put against owner of the birds. Should any bird be reported that is clearly race marked and not vaccinated, that member should be given an automatic 12 month ban from racing. The way the rule stands now it is open to misuse and I would suggest is abused by people, because their is no absolute proof of the birds being vaccinated.

[Guest]

The way the rule stands now it is open to misuse and I would suggest is abused by people, because their is no absolute proof of the birds being vaccinated.

 

If this was about point scoring Bob, Maidment would have 10 out of 10 for his suggestion because as much as I can't stand the man (feelings mutual) he does speak sense some of the time and some kind of managed organisation concerning vaccination would be a simple but incredibly effective way of reducing the problems we face as we stand.  

 

 

[Guest IB]

i will point out the fact if defra were notyfied of every case of virus not one person in this country would fly pigeons as they would close us down. anyone who  thinks otherwise needs to wake up to real world????now as noteifieable desease yes in the eyes of the law this must be done but and the but is youer lofts are shut down and if confirmed tell us what the conclusion would be for the fancier ??and if say 100 lofts had it and all notified what would happen to rest of country take any stud if they had it confirmed what would happen to them ???

 

Two ways to look at this.

 

(1) Reality of disease control does NOT shut everyone down. A 3 & 6 km Zone is set up round the infected premises. Absolutely normal outside these Zones.

 

(2) If 100 lofts had it, would you want to race in that Organisation?

 

Whole thing about disease control is just that - control - identify WHAT it is, where it came from, and stamp it out; don't stick your head in the sand, keep quiet and cull everything out; waste of time, put new stock (from the same source or not) into a previously infected loft that hasn't been properly cleaned, cleared of the infection, and disnifected, then the cycle starts again. That is what your top notch 'non-hobbyists' doon the valleys are doing, and in my opinion) they are playing at vets ( and making a right a*s of it) they are certainly not acting like knowledgable pigeon fanciers, or acting in the best interests of their birds, or the sport.

[Guest CINNAMON SPUNKMEYER]

i will point out the fact if defra were notyfied of every case of virus not one person in this country would fly pigeons as they would close us down. anyone who  thinks otherwise needs to wake up to real world????now as noteifieable desease yes in the eyes of the law this must be done but and the but is youer lofts are shut down and if confirmed tell us what the conclusion would be for the fancier ??and if say 100 lofts had it and all notified what would happen to rest of country take any stud if they had it confirmed what would happen to them ???

 

Would you not agree that in this case ( a said stud) merchandise from a stud (pigeons) are infected in someway and therefore should be closed down? is this what your saying should happen?

 

 

[pjc]

 

Two ways to look at this.

 

(1) Reality of disease control does NOT shut everyone down. A 3 & 6 km Zone is set up round the infected premises. Absolutely normal outside these Zones.

 

(2) If 100 lofts had it, would you want to race in that Organisation?

 

Whole thing about disease control is just that - control - identify WHAT it is, where it came from, and stamp it out; don't stick your head in the sand, keep quiet and cull everything out; waste of time, put new stock (from the same source or not) into a previously infected loft that hasn't been properly cleaned, cleared of the infection, and disnifected, then the cycle starts again. That is what your top notch 'non-hobbyists' doon the valleys are doing, and in my opinion) they are playing at vets ( and making a right a*s of it) they are certainly not acting like knowledgable pigeon fanciers, or acting in the best interests of their birds, or the sport.

 

This again highlights a problem and the lack of action by the RPRA etc, When there was an AI break out near Banbury birds were still being raced within the restricted area with members being shown in the BHW holding there section pigeons. Also a prominent national flyer had a pigeon in 2 overseas results a week apart, where was the 7 day rule?

The RPRA as normal put there head in the sand and took no action!

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

well as ib states boys doon vally try looking in youer own club and then comment i have ???this is not just vally this is country wide pratice or are you one of ones that just walks around blind to youer own sport i tryed to get club to have birds there do the lot but some top flyers were not prepared to. yet walk in club with sheet and say i did um with wife sign this for me mine get done by two clubmates noone else

[Guest strapper]

numpty01...j morris...is this mrs morris in newport?..if so last time i visited her it was costing me a fortune because i couldnt get to see graeme smith in usk.

she gave me treatment which i gave to the youngbirds ...didnt think it was much good.

this was a few years back now so maybe if this is mrs morris then maybe she has got more experience on pigeons now.

if your on about someone else then i appologise  

[Guest numpty01]

strapper yes jean morris and mate if you saw jean she never charged you fortune she dont in fact she is cheap him in usk charges lots to tell you bird has canker when you already know that and he is supposed to be bird vet now jean will charge you next nothing for meds or for checking birdd or even dogs anyone from this side will tell you the same

[Gail J]

There are 3 cases confirmed now of paramyxo, and I agree not all fanciers bother to report it, shame on them

[Guest]

There are 3 cases confirmed now of paramyxo, and I agree not all fanciers bother to report it, shame on them

 

I know it wouldn't be right to name the fanciers Gail but could you perhaps name at least the locations or as near to as possible so that any training tosses that are on that flight path of the outbreaks can be altered or actually cancelled to be better safe than sorry?  via p.m would be fine.

 

 

[Gail J]

No I cannot name them but don't see the relevance of altering the training path

[just ask me]

question if a loft has  and reported do defra kill the rest of the birds in the loft and are surrounding lofts anyway effected  

[Guest]

No I cannot name them but don't see the relevance of altering the training path

 

Prevention is the best form of cure Gail, and with respect I do see the relevance of changing a flight path if the one I'm using now is going directly over an infected loft.   Better safe than sorry.  :-/   http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/pigeons/index.htm

 

 

[Guest numpty01]

no fancier can ask for line flight to save flying over lofts with anyinfection and to ask is a bit unreasonable have you not worked out even if you altered the flight path of youer birds they will still fly the route they choose not youerself un less you go in the opersit direction altogether say swansea anyother route includeing you race one will put them through the vallys :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/perhaps you could direct the question to fed president or whu presedent im sure he will assit you

[Guest]

 

Prevention is the best form of cure Gail, and with respect I do see the relevance of changing a flight path if the one I'm using now is going directly over an infected loft.   Better safe than sorry.  :-/   http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/pigeons/index.htm

 

Any fancier who have a loft infected with this diseases, should keep away from any contact with other fanciers,corn suppliers,clubs.or any one conected to pigeons of any kind.PREVENTION IS THE BEST FORM OF CURE,Ive seen fanciers sending young birds which havent got over young bird sicknes to races infecting other club members birds

 

 

[Guest]

question if a loft has  and reported do defra kill the rest of the birds in the loft and are surrounding lofts anyway effected  

 

The link I gave above explains the steps Defra take mate, my reason for asking is you never really know if one of the birds on a training toss goes down for some reason, ends up in an affected loft, takes a breather and goes back up again to come home carrying a not so nice passenger with him.   As I said, its definitely worth being safe even if it means bordering on paranoia.  

[Guest]

no fancier can ask for line flight to save flying over lofts with anyinfection and to ask is a bit unreasonable have you not worked out even if you altered the flight path of youer birds they will still fly the route they choose not youerself un less you go in the opersit direction altogether say swansea anyother route includeing you race one will put them through the vallys :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/perhaps you could direct the question to fed president or whu presedent im sure he will assit you

 

Have you changed your name to Gail lately?   How the hell is it unreasonable to ask?  I asked because I have a right to ask and it was a justified request as simple as that.  Don't try and tell me about flight paths either I'm more than aware of what I do thanks.   If it meant having to stop training the birds or even training them another direction I would if it meant keeping the birds safe and I'm sure that as a learned fancier yourself you'd do that same wouldn't you?   :-/   :X

 

 

 

[pjc]

its not fair to ask Gail to provide information on the location.

If you need more information then you should contact DEFRA as you could even be in a restriction area!

[just ask me]

 

The link I gave above explains the steps Defra take mate, my reason for asking is you never really know if one of the birds on a training toss goes down for some reason, ends up in an affected loft, takes a breather and goes back up again to come home carrying a not so nice passenger with him.   As I said, its definitely worth being safe even if it means bordering on paranoia.  

 

well i was just wonderd if a loft down the road  got it would it affect me

[Guest]

its not fair to ask Gail to provide information on the location.

If you need more information then you should contact DEFRA as you could even be in a restriction area!

Huh!, my question to Gail wasn't to put her on the spot in any way, it was in her capacity as the Sec of the Union and no better person to ask?  If Gail is not allowed under rule to disclose this information then fair enough, but I didn't think she was?   I seriously didn't think it was so cloak and dagger not to let others know of potential dangers.  :-/  

 

[Guest bigda]

Huh!, my question to Gail wasn't to put her on the spot in any way, it was in her capacity as the Sec of the Union and no better person to ask?  If Gail is not allowed under rule to disclose this information then fair enough, but I didn't think she was?   I seriously didn't think it was so cloak and dagger not to let others know of potential dangers.  :-/  

 

have you jagged your doos, and   with  what type  do you use