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[blackdog]

what are you on about i never said it was right to give birds anything, natural products are good but so is the right medication for the job on hand. I TAKE IT YOU NEVER GET SICK OR GET THE COLD OR OWT ,  what do you do go to the doctor or swalloow some natural products and thasts you sorted,  If anyone not well dont go to doc just take some natural products, you can get them from  high on speed lofts

 

 

a lot of people wouldnt be here if they hadnt have gone to a doctor highspeedlofts and been prescribed antibiotics mate, some times you have to use them or would you rather have dead birds, its knowing when to use them and when to not, common sense.

 

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

YOU GOT ANYTHING THERE FOR RHUMATOID ARTHRITIS THEN.

 

NA WELL p*ss OFF

 

 

yeah i do have so i wont p*ss off

 

[Guest stb]

HighSpeedLofts. If I had my way, I would make it an offence to feed birds before basketing them for a race. The people who do that sort of thing must be aware that their birds will spew it up. So they know it is antisocial to do it.

You are right, we can'nt stop people feeding their birds. But we should have the right to stop those same people from causing our birds to be infected by their dirty and selfish attitudes. Unfortunately, there are too many people like you, who think they can do just what you like, regardless of the effect you are having on others. I find your attitude just short of bullying. "I'll do what I like and sod the rest of you". Sad.

owen i feed my birds before i take them trianing all the time and they dont spew in the baskets and way my driving thats good coz everyone else does. They get used to it and dont spew.

 

 

[Guest stb]

 

yeah i do have so i wont p*ss off what amazing cure do you have for rhuematoid arthritis then smart ass

 

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

HighSpeedLofts. If I had my way, I would make it an offence to feed birds before basketing them for a race. The people who do that sort of thing must be aware that their birds will spew it up. So they know it is antisocial to do it.

You are right, we can'nt stop people feeding their birds. But we should have the right to stop those same people from causing our birds to be infected by their dirty and selfish attitudes. Unfortunately, there are too many people like you, who think they can do just what you like, regardless of the effect you are having on others. I find your attitude just short of bullying. "I'll do what I like and sod the rest of you". Sad.

owen i find you a bit of an idiot as i never said i fed my birds and i dont feed them as i like them to trap nice and fast on  race day but it cant be helped if others want to feed there what about if its a 3 day hold over as we had recently would you forbid the convoyers to feed the birds i dont think so pal now stop typing utter nonsensce at me cheers! and show me a post where i am bullying any1

 

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

i would give you some cod liver oil and some copper bangles failing that i would bucket you

[Guest stb]

i would give you some cod liver oil and some copper bangles failing that i would bucket you

I am going in to get the first of my 2 hips replaced in about 6 weeks so i will just tell thev surgeon not to do it as highspeed said to take cod liver oil and a copper bangle. *expletive removed* of you ignorant *expletive removed*

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

I am going in to get the first of my 2 hips replaced in about 6 weeks so i will just tell thev surgeon not to do it as highspeed said to take cod liver oil and a copper bangle. *expletive removed* of you ignorant *expletive removed*

 

go google what helps it you will find out im right it cant be cured but it does help and what you telling me about your hips for or is it the sympathy vote

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

take sum pumpkin seeds for your prostate aswell

[Guest stb]

 

go google what helps it you will find out im right it cant be cured but it does help and what you telling me about your hips for or is it the sympathy vote

no smart ars its just to prove natural remedies dont sort everything,

 

have tried all that sh** before but dont make any difference .when its worn its worn.

 

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

but did what i say could that have helped any the answer is yes cant be cured but natural remdies can help

[Guest stb]

but did what i say could that have helped any the answer is yes cant be cured but natural remdies can help

some things work on some people other things on others. but dont work for all, dont make any difference to me have tried them all, even the pain killers dont work properly now. M brother used to get terrible pain in his ankles when he was playing football and started taking codliver oil and does not get any probs at all now

just sods law

 

 

[Guest IB]

so come on then what is it?what medications do you get of vet specifically for ybs? all birds can get sick so is there a disease known as old bird sickness? is it not a fact all birds can get sick and most of it down to bad management eliinate the sick ones theres a sure cure for it i not saying no ones birds get sick but anyone with anything wrong with a young one is oh its ybs a load of nonsense if your on top of your game you might not have as any sick birds

 

The disease is known as Young bird Syndrome, and it affects OBs too. It is a recognised disease, and BHW has carried articles / updates from vets around the world on it for years.

 

I posted a paper here on recent research - done on some lofts in Northern Ireland in 2007. This is a watered down extract of it which gives you some idea of what is involved and shows it would be difficult to treat the full blown version.

 

‘‘Young bird sickness’’ is a term used by racing pigeon fanciers to describe a condition that has occurred regularly in recent years and affects pigeons in their first year of life. It is characterized by slow crop emptying, regurgitation, diarrhea, weight loss, poor performance, and occasionally death. Little scientific information is known about this syndrome to differentiate it from other diseases that occur in young pigeons.

 

In this study, 1 bird from each of 9 lofts where ‘‘young bird sickness’’ was reported was euthanatized for postmortem examination. Lesions of the immune, gut, and respiratory systems were the most common findings. Lesions of the immune system were present in all birds examined, and 3 birds had symptoms consistent with circovirus infection. Combinations of protozoal, fungal, and mixed bacterial infections were associated with crop inflammation in 7 birds and enteritis in 6 birds. Pneumonitis was found in 5 birds that tested positive for Chlamydophila. Although ‘‘young bird sickness’’ appears to be a multifactorial condition, a pattern of lesions that involved the immune, gut, and respiratory systems was evident, whereas diseases of other organ systems were uncommon. These findings suggest that ‘‘young bird sickness’’ may have a common cause, and circovirus infection is proposed as a possible initiating cause of this syndrome in young racing pigeons in Northern Ireland.

 

[Guest stb]

maybe its time when fanciers should have the option to keep there young birds in there own basket .

 

would not object to that  turk

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

see stb it can help then also its not a virus or that its a bone condition

[Guest stb]

see stb it can help then also its not a virus or that its a bone condition

arthritis is a cartilage break down not the bones, rhumatoid is in the blood system and can attak any where in a persons body not just the catilage

 

[Roland]

I am still wondering when I will be enlightened on how to manage my pigeons by the Know-Alls who like to preach to the rest of us. As I suspected, they are all pi-- and wind.

It would be in all our best interests if the Clubs took up the holmeside lofts suggestion. Someone should be appointed to check the birds before they are allowed to go into the race basket. Any that look ill or have food in them should be turned back. This problem is one that affects us all. No one Fancier should be allowed to adversley affect the majority.

 

i thought all clubs did that automatically. have seen some refused before now.

HAVE also seen a bird that most moaned about it's condition and that it didn't go to Bergerac. As the owner wasn't there I as the then president was asked to make a decision. Yes a white grizzle that had been 3 / 4 times before. Had - as most of his birds - been raced extensively. I knew it felt 'Hard' as to Corky and that it arried no excessive wieght. It went! Won Club and high placed else where.

No that is what one has to look out for with some club members.

I was rollicked for having a few lice on my birds. Told him to -*Well be quiet and go forth and multiply'. Yes I dominated the race next day. Still they say that the birds weren't in fine fettle  :-/ :-/

One thing for sure, their feathering had to be first class.

 

[holmsidelofts]

just to answer your question highspeedlofts its a different situation on hold overs the birds are not moving at 50 miles an hour on a motor-way, they are stationary and thats the issue with food in the crop its the traveling that makes the bird sick not the fact that they have food in them. so yes i would agree with owen its irresponsible for any pigeon fancier to send birds with corn in them, it should be band i agree fully.

 

 

[Guest strapper]

hi ib ..The disease is known as Young bird Syndrome, and it affects OBs too

 

ive stated on numerous occasions about oldbirds getting it...some laughed some didnt...but its a fact they do and ive witnessed it when a fellow clubman had it a few years a go..now not flying.

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

arthritis is a cartilage break down not the bones, rhumatoid is in the blood system and can attak any where in a persons body not just the catilage

you have taught me something new there hope your operation goes ok iv seen it been done i wouldnt like it to happen to me

 

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

just to answer your question highspeedlofts its a different situation on hold overs the birds are not moving at 50 miles an hour on a motor-way, they are stationary and thats the issue with food in the crop its the traveling that makes the bird sick not the fact that they have food in them. so yes i would agree with owen its irresponsible for any pigeon fancier to send birds with corn in them, it should be band i agree fully.

 

many holdover they have to bring the birds back to closer racepoints so they will be moving at the same speed with food in them

 

 

[blackdog]

many holdover they have to bring the birds back to closer racepoints so they will be moving at the same speed with food in them

 

 

when they bring the birds to closer race points because of bad weather or something else they are not fed that day because they are more than  likely to get a liberation.

 

 

[holmsidelofts]

Sorry mate we've had hold overs loads of time and i cant remember the last time they brought the birds back its very rare. most of the time they are stationary, Ive been in the sport for 25 years and can count on 2 hand the number of times they have brought back birds. Thats the nature of the sport if we need to bring them back for the welfare of the birds that  cant be helped, what we can help is week in week out stopping birds that have corn in them to start with, thats a huge contributing factor to young bird losses and poor help in young birds.

 

Just touching on the young bird sickness problem, it in my opinion purely a stress related problem, Think about it, our young birds look great for the first 6 months of the year, where we dont handle them then all of a sudden we are handling them and chasing them around the loft, putting them in a basket that they probably have never been in before and taken miles away and let go in a strange place. we do this day in day out for a couple of weeks before we start racing, no wonder the birds get ill, They get stressed out and they stop digesting there food, which then goes sour and they through it up and the rest of the birds eat it. the answer to this is dont chase your youngsters around the loft, I personally darken my loft down and im able to pick each youngster of there perch with no stress at all.

So many times have i seen fanciers chasing there youngsters around the loft, smashing them to the floor or up against the side of the loft, it does them no good what so ever. Also training them to far for the first couple of tosses brings on so much stress. its all about getting the birds used to the basket and keeping the stress levels down that helps keep away youngbird sickness not things like elderberries.

 

 

 

[Guest HighSpeedLofts]

 

when they bring the birds to closer race points because of bad weather or something else they are not fed that day because they are more than  likely to get a liberation.

 

they will be fed the night before also pigeons are watered in the baskets should we also stop this as many disease is spread through the drinkers

 

 

[Guest stb]

you have taught me something new there hope your operation goes ok iv seen it been done i wouldnt like it to happen to me

 

cheers mate dont fancy it myself either but needs must ,