YOUNG BIRD SICKNESS

[Guest puresoontjen]

FACTS AND THE TRUTH OF ALL DESEASES HURT THE FANCIERS.THEY DONT LIKE TO ADMIT TO THIS AS THEY FEEL ITS LET THE SIDE DOWN.IF YOU GOT A DESEASES YOU GOT IT THATS IT.DEAL WITH IT AND KEEP YOUR BIRD HOME INTILL ITS ALL CLEARED UP THATS MY OPINION ONLY..... :-/

[Guest]

 

there is no medication for adeno virus(ybs)in one way correct...but ybs doesnt always kill your birds.....its the secondary infection that comes in after the adeno virus has taken hold of the bird.

more than not its usually e coli.

belgamco is a good product to use for ybs..advertised in the bhw and not at a rip off price..also treats others like salmonela too.

Fair point Paul but lets make it simpler to understand.  YB's is like HIV turning to AIDS.  Neither HIV or Aids kill either, its the secondary infections that come like pneumonia, carcenoma and so on that do the killing.  With YB's its not known exactly what does the killing, probably a combination of things.  There are treatments for most infections but the systems of the victims whether humans or young birds are so weak that they can't fight these even with the best treatments.  So how do scientists cope with this?  They worked around preventing HIV from developing into full blown Aids.  Exactly the same principle with YB's, preventing the sickness from becoming full blown.   The medicine you comment on, have you tried it or are you just going on the 'sell' of it the product?

[Guest]

 

you should sand up mate and tell him/her... tell them all in the club NOT sit back an seeing it going on.its your birds as well as other going down hill. obviously you dont care if it gos on STAND UP FOR YOUR BIRD AND OTHERS.

Im not racing at mo so im not in any club,but yes i have told them not to send as these babys are just not ready,if i was racing there would be hell to pay .

 

 

[holmsidelofts]

There are no medication for YBS.

 

 

True, but its not just the youngbird sickness that is the issue, its the underlying issues like ecoli, cocci and canker which goes nuts when the bird gets youngbird sickness, that is why a vet will give you antibiotics its not to tackle YBS as its a virus to which no antibiotic will combat ( antibiotics only work against bacteria ie ecoli, salmonella etc) its to keep the other bacteria at bay. You will always find you'll have a higher cocci and canker count when birds have youngbird sickness due to the stress this is half the problem, the YBS goes but the canker and cocci count is still high and fanciers send birds they think are better when they really aint.

 

[Guest]

 

True, but its not just the youngbird sickness that is the issue, its the underlying issues like ecoli, cocci and canker which goes nuts when the bird gets youngbird sickness, that is why a vet will give you antibiotics its not to tackle YBS as its a virus to which no antibiotic will combat ( antibiotics only work against bacteria ie ecoli, salmonella etc) its to keep the other bacteria at bay. You will always find you'll have a higher cocci and canker count when birds have youngbird sickness due to the stress this is half the problem, the YBS goes but the canker and cocci count is still high and fanciers send birds they think are better when they really aint.

:-/ well thats what the thread is about YBS and not ecoli,cocci,canker, giving them antibiotics when they have YBS is  A NO,NO you will knock the sh-t out of them.

 

 

[Guest strapper]

Fair point Paul but lets make it simpler to understand.  YB's is like HIV turning to AIDS.  Neither HIV or Aids kill either, its the secondary infections that come like pneumonia, carcenoma and so on that do the killing.  With YB's its not known exactly what does the killing, probably a combination of things.  There are treatments for most infections but the systems of the victims whether humans or young birds are so weak that they can't fight these even with the best treatments.  So how do scientists cope with this?  They worked around preventing HIV from developing into full blown Aids.  Exactly the same principle with YB's, preventing the sickness from becoming full blown.   The medicine you comment on, have you tried it or are you just going on the 'sell' of it the product?

 

the medication i mentioned was tested last year amongst 5 club mates worked a treat.

i would never mention a product unless ive tried it .

[holmsidelofts]

:-/ well thats what the thread is about YBS and not ecoli,cocci,canker, giving them antibiotics when they have YBS is  A NO,NO you will knock the sh-t out of them.

 

 

You dont get the point do you mate, when they have ybs they are highly susceptible to ecoli, salmonella or any bacteria that is around as it suppresses the immune system, thats why all vets will give you antibiotics is to stop the  other infections taking hold, there is no treatment for ybs but you CAN lessen it by reducing the secondary infection, prescribed  correctly by a pigeon vet ANTIBIOTICS  are invaluable to stopping the other infections that YBS brings. The point i was making was yes the YBS may be gone but the birds are still ill from the other causes thats what causes a lot of issues also.

[Guest]

 

You dont get the point do you mate, when they have ybs they are highly susceptible to ecoli, salmonella or any bacteria that is around as it suppresses the immune system, thats why all vets will give you antibiotics is to stop the  other infections taking hold, there is no treatment for ybs but you CAN lessen it by reducing the secondary infection, prescribed  correctly by a pigeon vet ANTIBIOTICS  are invaluable to stopping the other infections that YBS brings. The point i was making was yes the YBS may be gone but the birds are still ill from the other causes thats what causes a lot of issues also.

NO MATE I DON'T GET THE POINT MATE,IVE HAD YBS BUT NEVER HAD TO GIVE THEM ANY ANTIS,AND IF I DID I WOULD GET MY BIRDS TESTED LIKE I DO MY BREEDERS,GOOD HEALTHY PIGEONS BREED GOOD HEALTHY BIRDS,I BROUGHT IN YOUNG BIRD SICKNESS WHEN I HAD IT

 

 

[vanreets]

NO MATE I DON'T GET THE POINT MATE,IVE HAD YBS BUT NEVER HAD TO GIVE THEM ANY ANTIS,AND IF I DID I WOULD GET MY BIRDS TESTED LIKE I DO MY BREEDERS,GOOD HEALTHY PIGEONS BREED GOOD HEALTHY BIRDS,I BROUGHT IN YOUNG BIRD SICKNESS WHEN I HAD IT

 

 

you said it ;) ;)

[Guest puresoontjen]

Im not racing at mo so im not in any club,but yes i have told them not to send as these babys are just not ready,if i was racing there would be hell to pay .

 

 

well done and fare play. im glad you would say it in the club.

[Guest]

 

the medication i mentioned was tested last year amongst 5 club mates worked a treat.

i would never mention a product unless ive tried it .

Great stuff, what's the active ingredients Paul?

 

 

[Guest strapper]

Great stuff, what's the active ingredients Paul?

 

 

 

lucozade i think ...i dunno m8 but it worked ..i thought it be just another money making item ,but it sorted the birds out .

belgica de weerdt..paul smith...bhw.....belgamco..near the bottom of the advertisement page

 

 

[fred x]

I don't think some race programs help, miss two consecutive races and you could find you've got the choice of jumping them 100+ miles or leaving them at home again.

 

How right you are Tony, Our federation rubbish programe, First race 84 mile to me, Then it go's up untill the last race of the season back to 84 mile race. Im just getting over YBS  got it after the 1st YB race  25th July, my bird have been at home since getting over it now. Hope to have them in racing form by the 22nd August got to jump them in to a 168 mile race > Can't even split the race team with a programme like that.

 

 

[Guest IB]

Well you could say some of mine copped a mild form of YBS after their 1st race. 1st time  ever for me. I think it might have been down to me breaking some of my own rules including letting a bird that slept-out from Saturday's race, straight into section with the others on Sunday night. That section had been out flying free @ 6am Sunday after flying a difficult race on Saturday and I reckoned then they had no problems, nothing out of them.

 

Tuesday I found feeding on a couple of perches, the birds had been on garlic water Saturday thro to Monday morning, so I changed their feeding to a light diet and brought forward their probiotic a week. It was Wednesday before I'd got the 3 birds spotted and put into quarantine, which included the late bird. The others were OK but had been exposed, so I kept them in, and sat out the 2nd race - just to make sure - and I told my club secretary why. Other than what you would expect from a change of feeding, droppings were fine, and I'll be going to 3rd race tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

how many think they have young bird sickness and havent then treat any way that cant be good

[Guest]

 

 

lucozade i think ...i dunno m8 but it worked ..i thought it be just another money making item ,but it sorted the birds out .

belgica de weerdt..paul smith...bhw.....belgamco..near the bottom of the advertisement page

 

Now now Paul, no need for sarcasm,  :'( :'( ;D ;D ;D   Seriously, the reason why I asked is I thought you might still have the bottle/sachets with you and could have given me the ingredients to check out because if I am right on something you might be able to get an alternative for a £5 or less.  Try and find it if you still have it.  

 

 

[Guest]

LADS AND LASSES,KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR POCKET AS NOUT WILL CURE YOUR YOUNG FROM THIS VIRUS,JUST HELP THEM ALONG THOSE WHO SAY THIS AND THAT WORKS LET THEM GET ON WITH IT, JUST NO NEED TO SPEND BIG MONEY ON SH-T  

[Guest Grasshopper Lofts]

been told  if i get it  to not feed them for 48 hours milton in there water and just leave them well alone to rest they will soon come through it

[leighton1984]

bleach - all it is doing is stop birds passing things on

[Guest Owen]

I "think", that I have found a way to control or even prevent YBS. I am prepared to share my ideas with everyone on here but I am not absolutey sure yet. All I know is, that I have always had it, year in and year out. But this year I have had two go off colour but they were back exercising with the others inside a week. Nothing before or after that.

I saw an opinion expressed by holmsidelofts, in which he said that it is a viral infection and therefore it can never be cured. I 100% agree with what he said. However, we do not have to roll over and allow it to infect out birds. There are things that can be done without resorting to antibiotics. I think it is all about building up immunity. If we can do that we are setting ourselves up to control it, not in the present but also in the future.

[Guest]

I "think", that I have found a way to control or even prevent YBS. I am prepared to share my ideas with everyone on here but I am not absolutey sure yet. All I know is, that I have always had it, year in and year out. But this year I have had two go off colour but they were back exercising with the others inside a week. Nothing before or after that.

I saw an opinion expressed by holmsidelofts, in which he said that it is a viral infection and therefore it can never be cured. I 100% agree with what he said. However, we do not have to roll over and allow it to infect out birds. There are things that can be done without resorting to antibiotics. I think it is all about building up immunity. If we can do that we are setting ourselves up to control it, not in the present but also in the future.

god a fancier with brains IMMUNITY

 

 

[Guest strapper]

Now now Paul, no need for sarcasm,  :'( :'( ;D ;D ;D   Seriously, the reason why I asked is I thought you might still have the bottle/sachets with you and could have given me the ingredients to check out because if I am right on something you might be able to get an alternative for a £5 or less.  Try and find it if you still have it.  

 

 

ok m8 will do

[Guest BRYANBROCK]

question what causes young bird sickness ?????????????

[blackdog]

answer-  stress.

[Guest kev d]

your right in saying stress i dont race yb havent for 4 or 5 years have not had ybs

in all that time just left to grow and mature with a few training chucks now and again

up to now no treatments but will get treatment as yearlings when racing starts .