yb sickness? birds dying.

[amie]

just canker them with metronidazole same happened to me two weeks ago or if you cant get that try amoxicillin be sorted within a week best of luck.

[Guest IB]

flyingteessider when you say DEFRA report a big PMV outbreak, is that in the wild ferals, or domestic racing pigeons?

[Guest casbri]

hi mate i had 25 y/birds go sick treated them with parastop fr 2 weeks 3 died and had to kill 10...the symptons were as follows watery droppings

and going light ...all i fed birds on was gerry plus...2 birds tcomming on okhen got twisting necks...got rid of them...birds are now better and moulting

well...hope this helps

[flyingteessider]

its a pmv out break in racing pigeons reported to the nehu

[Guest Owen]

Sorry to hear about your troubles. There are two possibilities it seems to me. Paratyphoid or Paramixovirus. You should get the dead birds to a lab so that you will know what you are dealing with. Don't wast time by asking people on here to look at pictures of droppings or for their opinions. You need to get the facts sorted out. That will involve having the birds tested by a fully trained and competant person.  If it turns out to be Paratyphoid the Baytril will be about the best way to control it. On the other hand, if it turns out to be Paramixovirus the Baytril will be useless. Of course, it may not be either.

I wish I could be more helpful but I must urge you not to wast time listening to people's guesses based on nothing but your observations which are probably not detailed enough to form an opinion.

You have been advised to conact David Parsons at Wincanton. That is very good advice. He is a brilliant guy and he specialises in birds and pigeons in particular.

One lesson worth all of us learning from all this is, that all birds have to vaccinated regardless of whether they are raced or not. It must be gut wrenching to have to watch them die like that.  

[davieboy]

just PM you with vet phone  

[me]

its obviously pmv jag the lot right now if you can separate ones with visible syptoms into a basket the warmth will do them good. Completely gut the hut the others are in and spray with virkon s remove any new cases as they occur.

 

Some will avoid it, some will recover but how good they will be? not so sure!

[flyingteessider]

Can i just say thanks for the advice and pms ive had off members on this site it makes me realise what makes pigeon fanciers a cut above followers of other sports it does help to no im not the only one and ther is a light at the end of the tunnel ,thanks again,gary

[blackdog]

gary, hope you get them sorted soon mate, bloody nightmare,       keith

[flyingteessider]

I had a vet from defra around my house this morning he euthonised one of my birds and tuck it for tests he said he,s almost certain my birds have the pmv virus and gave me a notice of quarantine for eight weeks and said he will be back in touch in a few days, Im gutted ive now lost six birds and could loose all my birds he said thers alot more people with this than makes out,I also noticed the local lads around here with there rollers havent had there birds out for a week or so ill guarantee they are in the same boat ,So keep your eyes on yor birds and any signs of illness remove strate away,ILL LET USE NO RESULTS AND TREATMENTS AS I GET THEM,GARY

[big blue bar]

m8 don t be to down hearted your birds will recover  pmv  is a horrible disease my y birds had it this year was niave did nt vaccinate early enough ended up killing nearly half my team but after getting restictions lifted birds flew well one even topped fed so there is light at end of tunnel

[allenyeates]

P.M,. sent mate

[blaz]

did we not have something on how to cure yb sickness on not long ago got a copy written somewhere . cant mind but it was 3 steps to clear yb sickness in 30 hours.

[jimmy white]

 

sounds like parathyphoid to me??? if it is then Baytril should help

send one away for a post mortem to be sure and a poo sample if you know someone quick

Good luck

 

i sure hope things turn out ok teasider,,,fell for you mate, very difficult to suss out over the internet,, paratyphoid/salmonella can be very similar,, i note the vet has done an autopsy,, and "thinks"  its p m v ,, , i cannot think why he just" thinks2  this , as p,mortem would give you a definite answer,,lets hope you get to the bottom of this,, i quote this last post ,, as having similar symptoms,  and have noted this b4  on both these occasions ,,after p,m ,, was paratyphoid,, im sure the vet will get things sorted out for you,, at least youve got the right guys on the job,, good luck in finding both  the diagnosis and hopefully the cure,, i cannot help but say,, in all my 60 years experience with pigeons, since this p m v vaccine was introduced , more ailments have surfaced ,,only my opinion

[Guest strapper]

I had a vet from defra around my house this morning he euthonised one of my birds and tuck it for tests he said he,s almost certain my birds have the pmv virus and gave me a notice of quarantine for eight weeks and said he will be back in touch in a few days, Im gutted ive now lost six birds and could loose all my birds he said thers alot more people with this than makes out,I also noticed the local lads around here with there rollers havent had there birds out for a week or so ill guarantee they are in the same boat ,So keep your eyes on yor birds and any signs of illness remove strate away,ILL LET USE NO RESULTS AND TREATMENTS AS I GET THEM,GARY

 

im sorry that he believes its this but i did suggest it was this and i also suggested that there is a lot more fanciers with this.

i get pms about this illness almost every other day recently asking for advice.

at times when i know its gonna most probably be this,i wish i was wrong.

 

wish you all the best in what ever it turns out to be...paul.

[Guest IB]

Post reminds me of a BHW letter a few years back, man from DEFRA had a simple test for PMV, he held one finger in front of the bird, and drew a circle in the air. If the bird followed his finger circle with its eyes, it was OK, if it followed the finger circle with its head, it had PMV.

 

Test on euthanised birds will reveal for sure what is going on.

 

Best of luck.

[kev43]

did we not have something on how to cure yb sickness on not long ago got a copy written somewhere . cant mind but it was 3 steps to clear yb sickness in 30 hours.

 

2 steps n 24 hrs m8 i had it this year and cured it in 24 hrs

[Guest Owen]

I think that we are very wrong to try to play, "Guess the disease", on this forum. While we are trying to show how clever we are, valuable time is wasted. That time could and should be used to contact a properly qualified Vet.

No-one can tell much from the sort of information that is posted here. And the syptoms of some of the diseases are very similar.

I think that the person in trouble should be guided to a known good Vet in his/her area and let the Vet do what he is qualified to do.

I examine a lot of droppings for various Fanciers, but I will not try to take on the job of a Vet. I don't have the training and it would be wrong of me to try. However, I will show the Fancier concerned what I am looking at and let them decide what they want to do.

 

[kev43]

I think that we are very wrong to try to play, "Guess the disease", on this forum. While we are trying to show how clever we are, valuable time is wasted. That time could and should be used to contact a properly qualified Vet.

No-one can tell much from the sort of information that is posted here. And the syptoms of some of the diseases are very similar.

I think that the person in trouble should be guided to a known good Vet in his/her area and let the Vet do what he is qualified to do.

I examine a lot of droppings for various Fanciers, but I will not try to take on the job of a Vet. I don't have the training and it would be wrong of me to try. However, I will show the Fancier concerned what I am looking at and let them decide what they want to do.

 

well am not tryin 2 b clever i was tellin another member that my birds had y,b sickness and i cure it in 24 hrs,,they were bein sick and sittin humpy in the perches but they werent dyin  so i knew what it and other info mation was proven by a friends report from defra or the maff who ever confirmin his birds had aspergillosis and his birds were doin same as garys were bein sick sitin humpy then droppin off perch dead,,, i only give ppl advice that i know and seen and only give my opinion and wud nva pretend 2 do a vets job it was just a bit ov info not 2 make him panic about PMV as u say there plenty ov diseases that are the same with same outcome

[fred smyth]

Can some one tell me when y bird sickness started. I left the sport in 1989 and only going back in it this year.   But I don't ever remember any one having this  sickness back then  I remember paromaxss coming and having to jab our birds but I never had or heard of any one having. Young bird sickness.

[Guest IB]

I think that we are very wrong to try to play, "Guess the disease", on this forum. While we are trying to show how clever we are, valuable time is wasted. That time could and should be used to contact a properly qualified Vet.

No-one can tell much from the sort of information that is posted here. And the syptoms of some of the diseases are very similar.

I think that the person in trouble should be guided to a known good Vet in his/her area and let the Vet do what he is qualified to do.

I examine a lot of droppings for various Fanciers, but I will not try to take on the job of a Vet. I don't have the training and it would be wrong of me to try. However, I will show the Fancier concerned what I am looking at and let them decide what they want to do.

 

No offence Owen, you've now repeated that post and I think that it shows that you did not read all the thread before you put the first one up. The thread went up after the fancier had been to the vet who diagnosed YBS, and he was given Baytril. Deaths continued and the up-to-date position is that the vet? contacted DEFRA, they called yesterday and euthanised sick birds for autopsy. DEFRA thinks it's PMV, but tests have still to confirm this. The other crucial information is that DEFRA confirm there is a PMV outbreak in NEHU area, where this fancier is.

 

 

[kev43]

Can some one tell me when y bird sickness started. I left the sport in 1989 and only going back in it this year.   But I don't ever remember any one having this  sickness back then  I remember paromaxss coming and having to jab our birds but I never had or heard of any one having. Young bird sickness.

 

probably since the darking off ov yb,s i wud think fred

[flyingteessider]

ive just removed five more pigeons from my loft with swelling of the eyes watery droppings and looking like death is imminent im now beginning to think its time for a mass cull this being the kindest root its my worst nightmare now even the race team are coming down with it ,The strange thing is its hitting the cocks harder in fact no hens yet why would this be is it just coincidence ?

[fred smyth]

 

probably since the darking off ov yb,s i wud think fred

 

Well I had never heard about darking either. But I was going to  put nexted years y birds on it. As I was told it's no good tring to win if u don't

[just ask me]

ive just removed five more pigeons from my loft with swelling of the eyes watery droppings and looking like death is imminent im now beginning to think its time for a mass cull this being the kindest root its my worst nightmare now even the race team are coming down with it ,The strange thing is its hitting the cocks harder in fact no hens yet why would this be is it just coincidence ?

 

sorry to say mate it will hit them too