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[Guest IB]

 

so there we have it a vet says there are postive effects  

 

The usual method of treating the drinking water

 

As I have stated previously, its the water that is being treated, not the bird. The key in whether doing this does have,  or can have a direct affect on the pigeon is to find out what happens to sodium hypochlorite after it comes into contact with a protein. My information is that it turns to salt. Saliva contains proteins. The lining of the mouth throat gullet and crop contains proteins.

[Guest strapper]

it seems its commonly used in other pets.

just found this ...

 

http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/forum/General-Dog-Talk~1/11314~1.aspx

[Guest WINGS 04]

I have heard of people using Milton Steralising fluid but never brave enough to try it myself

 

we have uesd it in the bath and drinker

[Guest IB]

Hypochlorite (The Practical Application of Disinfectant and Sterilization in Health Care Facilities, Chapter 5, pp 41-45, Cokendolpher and Haukos. AHA 1996).

 

Is a very good general disinfectant available to many facilities are household bleach (5.25% sodium hypochlorite).

 

However, bleach is not a miracle disinfectant ..  Bleach is inactivated by the presence of organic matter such as dirt, blood, and excrement.

 

extract from:-

 

http://www.hawaii.edu/ehso/bio/Hypochlorite.pdf

 

 

Pathological effects of sodium hypochlorite administration through drinking water in male Japanese quails (Coturnix japonica).

 

Hum Exp Toxicol.  2008; 27(10):773-80 (ISSN: 0960-3271)

Khan A; Ullah M; Khan M

Department of Veterinary Pathology, University of Agriculture, Faisalabad, Pakistan. ahrar1122@yahoo.com

 

Fifty male Japanese quails of 40 days of age were divided into five equal groups viz. A, B, C, D, and E. Drinking water supplemented with sodium hypochlorite at dose level of 0, 25, 50, 200, and 400 mg chlorine/L, respectively was offered for 6 weeks. At the end of week 6 when no clinical signs of toxicity of sodium hypochlorite appeared, the birds in groups B and C were shifted to 100 mg chlorine/L drinking water, and this level was increased fourfold (400, 1600, 6400 mg chlorine/L drinking water) every week, till i.e., 10th week (70 day). Afterwards all the birds were killed. Depression and anorexia were prominent clinical signs observed. Reduction in feed intake, body weight, and hematological parameters appeared in a dose-dependant manner. Decreased serum total proteins and weights of liver, heart, and kidneys were recorded in birds receiving high levels of sodium hypochlorite. Intoxicated birds were emaciated. Decreased weight and volume of the testes were observed in birds receiving high levels of sodium hypochlorite. However, birds receiving 400 mg chlorine (group E) had smaller but functional testes. Birds receiving higher level of chlorine (groups B and C) had decreased weight and volume of testes, atrophied seminiferous tubules, and arrested spermatogenesis. It was concluded that sodium hypochlorite at high levels, that is, 6400 mg/L in drinking water is toxic to the quails; therefore, it should be used with caution in poultry farming as drinking water disinfectant.

 

[Guest Owen]

I believe it is great to enquire into the use of anything that we hear about being used by livestock managers. This is how we learn after all. I must congratulate the people such as IB and Strapper who have gone to so much trouble to investigate this subject. Now we have facts to consider.

Sometimes we have to go with our instincts as well as look critically at the evidence of the sort we see here on these posts. My instincts tell me that putting strong tasting substances into drinking water is not good. The fact that during experimentation the tests show that there are no adverse effects is only one part of the answer we are looking for. Birds and animals have sharper senses than us and their sense of taste must be akin to their sense of smell, for example. That being the case, the strong taste of bleach, or any other substance like it, must affect their attitude to drinking.

I want my birds to drink plenty of water all the time, so the last thing I will do is to put them off it by lacing it with anything that is likely to reduce their take up of the water. My attitude includes things like garlic and anything with a strong taste. Of course I could be wrong, because after a period of getting used to something in the water, the birds may drink freely. I really do not know. So for the moment I will opt to clean the drinkers with distinfectant, regularly, rather than risk the birds having a reduced take up of the water. And I will continue to offer specifics on the food so that the water remains as it came from the tap.

  

[greenlands]

Hi Owen ,

    I agree with what you say about water intake,especially when racing in hot weather,that's one of the reasons that Thursday for me is clean water and Friday electrolytes at half strength.