Vitamin B12

[Guest Paulo]

Anybody give this to their pigeons? I'm supplementing my diet with this I'm a keen thai boxer in my spare time feel full of energy. Supposed to increase red blood cells and prevent anema. Noticed bottles of the stuff for sale in pigeon shop. Just wondered if anyone had good results by using it.

[REDCHEQHEN]

You might change your mind after reading this..!

 

 

PERNICIOUS ANAEMIA

 

Pernicious anaemia is the result of a vitamin B12 deficiency that develops if the blood cannot properly absorb vitamin B12 from the intestinal tract. It is called a 'megaloblastic' anaemia, and occurs when the early, immature red blood cells are abnormal (a megaloblast is one type of early red blood cell with a specific abnormality). Most healthy people (except strict vegetarians) have a 3-5 year reserve in their livers of vitamin B12, which is easily absorbed from meats.

 

Vitamin B12 deficiency occurs when the stomach does not secrete a vital substance called 'intrinsic factor', which is required for vitamin B12 absorption in the ileum (part of the small intestine). It can also result after surgical removal of the stomach or ileum.

 

Pernicious anaemia often causes symptoms such as decreased appetite, weight loss, constipation, diarrhoea, abdominal pain, swollen or painful tongue, tingling in the hands and feet, and lack of balance and coordination.

 

Treatment usually starts with repeated injections of vitamin B12 into a muscle. As vitamin B12 reserves accumulate, injections are needed less often. Eventually, levels of vitamin B12 are maintained by an injection once a month, but need to be continued for the rest of the patient´s life. Occasional blood tests will make sure that all is well.

[Tony C]

Vitamin B12 is good for your racer's, even better for your breeders.

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

The point I was trying to make is in the text - for humans, the liver stores enough supplies for 3 - 5 years unless a vegetarian. Treatment is by injection.

 

Most humans with pernicious anaemia are actually menopausal women !!!!!!

[Tony C]

Oops!! I seem to have answered the wrong time of the month ;D ;D

[Guest Paulo]

see your point so its not much use for humans then unless your are anemic its dissrected liver tablets I'm taking which contain a lot of B12 suppose it could just be the placebo effect but I feel on form. Had a great session tonight topped off with 5 rounds of sparring and I felt good at the end apart from a few aches and pains.

 

So not so good for me then but what about pigeons then?

 

Tony thinks its good, have you tried it for pigeons redcheqhen?

 

Thanks for your replies lads

[REDCHEQHEN]

Paulo - you make me feel tired..!!

 

B12 is in one of the preparations we use - as to whether it made a difference, who knows, we scored points sometimes and other times we didn't..!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[stevebelbin]

I have a bottle of the stuff and was using it last year, and my birds came better than they have this year, maybe thats the missing link between last year and this year. I had totally forgotten I had until you put this up, so I think I see if it make a difference in our last two old bird races. Dont think it would do any harm.

[jimmy white]

we tend to think as pigeons as humans,they are completely differant, their digestive system, their brain, their sight, there temp. their coats , every thing is differant, their mainly grain eaters, with a crop, a gizard,they fly etc etc we cannot compare them with humans, and should not be treated so, if your human ,and aenemic, then there are many remedies from docs [this post is not meant to offend anyone] :) :)just note that i waited a few weeks to post :)

[Guest speckled]

;D ;D Tuff jimmy cause ya have me now. lol ;D ;D ;D ;D Vit b12 (Cyanocobalamin) wooooooooooo hope that spelt right. Well it the only vit containing essential elements. :-/ confussed.well when in cobination with"Frolic Acid".(B11). vit B12 is regared as an extreamly powerfull stimulant. :D .its also good for the formation of red blood cells,more energy.as well as the nevous stysem concertration & memory. :-/ :-/ with me so far.?B12 has also plays a part in the prpoer utilization of carbohydrate ,fat * protein..But the best source of b12 is powderd milk. finally most important VIT B12 at its most effective in combanation with "VITS" B6.B11,(frolic acid),&  VitC, plus B13 cholin inositol.& Postassium. Can i put the bottle down now lol.happy now  Cheers Speck ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

Specks here so keep it short & simple.  ;D  ;D  ;D

 

 

Why zoom in on B12? For example lots of other B's [they're called B Complex vitamin group].

 

Bit like saying: I've made a new bird and given it a heart.

 

Fine, but nae much use without liver, lungs, kidneys etc too.  ;D

 

 

Agree 10000% with redcheqhen. Unless there's something far wrong with your birds or their diet, then they should be getting all they need from what you give them to eat.

 

 

well, its kinda short for me.  

[Guest speckled]

;D ;D ;D very short & sweet, for you Bruno, :o but did i say i used it   :o i was just getting carried away at the stimulant effect,lol ;D ;D these univesity post arnt me lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. a collage Speck. ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Paulo]

good points everybody. Just interested Bruno as a lot of top sportmans take B12 and noticed it was available for pigeons, plus old hand recommends it in one of his books. Jimmy makes a good point of people thinking of pigeons as humans too much when they do have different body functions etc etc.

 

Thanks for all your input everybody

 

 

[schouwman71]

i use cytacon b12,mix it with aqeus odine and parrished food liquid 3 table spoons b12 3 parishes 1 teaspoon iodine make up to 1 pint and give 3 table spoons to 3 pints of water tue-wed-thu the birds wings throb with energy.

[jimmy white]

got me mixed up speck are you meaning for the pigeons or you ;D ;D ;D

cant see you wth anaemia, with the energy youve got  , i know i went to yale university,,,,,,in fact i was one of the" key" men there ;D ;D ;D

[Guest speckled]

;D ;D ;D shame the" key" ;D ;D never fitted the ;D ;D ;D" lock " to the brain. :D lol ;D ;D ;D ow westy it only a joke lol, well i do give mine B12 ir in the brewers yeast bit the body will ony absorb what it need, :-/ at the right time..Short enought bruno? :P  Opps Speck ;D ;D ;D

[slatey]

i use cytacon b12,mix it with aqeus odine and parrished food liquid 3 table spoons b12 3 parishes 1 teaspoon iodine make up to 1 pint and give 3 table spoons to 3 pints of water tue-wed-thu the birds wings throb with energy.

 

i went for some cytacon myself last week and was told they are not making it any more it has been took of the market the only ones who may have it who carry large stock amounts.

tomo

[Guest]

Now for a longish one  

 

Craig put the original up, and I added some bits to his info to keep me right on some of the stuff what I'd not come across before.

 

Harkers Hormoform

 

The calculated typical analysis of Hormoform is as follows:

 

protein 9%,

oil  9%,

fibre 1.8%

ash 13%

vitA 18000 ius/kg

vitD3 5000 ius/kg

vitE 75 ius/kg

 

The nutrients contained in Hormoform include:

 

Vitamins A, D3, K, D1 (Thiamine), B2 (Riboflavine), B6(Pyridoxine), B12, E (alpha tocopherol)

 

Plus

 

Chloride, Iodine, Cobalt, Copper, Manganese, Iron

 

Magnesium, Nicotinic Acid, (B3) Calcium Pantothenate (B5)

 

Biotin, IMPORTANCE: Aids in the utilization of protein, folic acid, Pantothenic acid, and Vitamin B-12, DEFICIENCY SYMPTOMS: May lead to extreme exhaustion, drowsiness, muscle pain, loss of appetite, depression, greyish skin colour.

 

 

Inositol, IMPORTANCE: Necessary for the formation of lecithin; aids in the breakdown of fats; helps reduce blood cholesterol

DEFICIENCY SYMPTOMS: May result in high blood cholesterol.

 

Choline, IMPORTANCE: Very important in controlling fat & cholesterol buildup in the body; prevents fat from accumulating in the liver; facilitates the movement of fats in the cells; helps regulate the kidneys, liver & gallbladder; important for nerve transmission; helps improve memory.

DEFICIENCY SYMPTOMS: May result in cirrhosis and fatty degeneration of the liver, hardening of the arteries, heart problems, high blood pressure, hemorrhaging kidneys.

 

Amino Benzoic Acid IMPORTANCE: Aids healthy bacteria in producing folic acid; aids in the formation of red blood cells; aids in the assimilation of Pantothenic acid;

DEFICIENCY SYMPTOMS: May cause extreme fatigue, irritability, depressions, nervousness, headaches, digestive disorders.

 

Lysine, Cystine Glycine, Calcium, Sodium Chloride

 

Phosphorus, Zinc, Formic Acid, Arginine

 

Methionine, Tryptophane.

 

Feeding instructions

 

Resting birds – 57gm (2 oz) hormoform per 450gm (16oz) feed daily

 

Racing birds – 71 gm (2.5oz) hormoform per 450 gm (16oz) feed daily

 

Breeding bird – 86 gm (3oz) hormoform per 450 gm (16oz) feed daily

 

 

Point of the post is really an add-on to what I'd said before. If you feel the birds should be treated say like human athletes, and given whole diet supplements etc, then maybe a scientifically balanced all-round formula (like wots already available from many makers of pigeon specifics) might be the best way to go?

[Guest speckled]

;D ;D ;D Still  to short bruno :o what page from what book was that?///////////////

:X :X :X Speck :D :D

[Guest Paulo]

Nice one cheers for the info Bruno. I've tried homoform for the first time this year while breeding and was impressed with the results I got. Only thing is its fairly expensive (but I suppose its cheaper buying something thats got pretty much everything in) and the birds don't seem to like it that much. However was more than happy with the young birds I bred on it. Heres a picture of the last one I bred lovely bird bright as a button with nice silky feathers. Suppose its easier feeding like you say a scientifically balanced formula than messing around with all the different gear available. Its confusing with the sheer range of products available on the market to know what to give the birds.

 

I've come to the conclusion its all a plot to part us pigeon men and women from our hard earned cash.

[jimmy white]

yes i would give my racing pigeons vit b complex thats why i mixed the brewers yeast with the depurative ,and other vits  ;D ;D ;D i thought speck meant she was eating it herself;D ;D  the depurative is easily digested, but doesnt contain the vits of normal grain, but handy to keep the weight off them for short to middle distance races, when needed :) :)so for a long way round ,,,i agree with you speck ;D ;D ;D ;D, but could have put the post longer ;D ;D ;D