PIGEON FEED - PEAS

[REDCHEQHEN]

Blue Peas

White Peas

Maple Peas

 

Is there much difference between them, protein etc?

Can they be substituted for each other (if you couldn't get maples would the blue or white peas be OK to use instead?)

[OLDYELLOW]

id use green peas every time not that you would have getting greenpeas or maples up your end

[OLDYELLOW]

might be of intrest to you

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1195378849/s-0/highlight-maple/#num0

[Guest]

id use green peas every time not that you would have getting greenpeas or maples up your end

thats a bit personal "getting peas up youre end"??  mite fetch them in from a diffrent area ?                    andy.

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

id use green peas every time not that you would have getting greenpeas or maples up your end

 

I've got maples - lots of them (evil)(hehe)

but I can get blue peas and white peas if I want........cheaper

[Guest]

 

I've got maples - lots of them (evil)(hehe)

but I can get blue peas and white peas if I want........cheaper

ill place an order now .......... providing u can deliver??                       andy.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

 

I've got maples - lots of them (evil)(hehe)

but I can get blue peas and white peas if I want........cheaper

 

prefer green the white peas tend to be in moulting mixes or cheaper mixes i find my birds dont like them much so i never buy them   

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

prefer green the white peas tend to be in moulting mixes or cheaper mixes i find my birds dont like them much so i never buy them   

 

they'd eat 'em if they were hungry Mark (evil)

mine leave the barley

[nogin]

 

prefer green the white peas tend to be in moulting mixes or cheaper mixes i find my birds dont like them much so i never buy them   

 

I DONT RATE THE WHITE PEA'S MUTCH ...CHEEP............

[OLDYELLOW]

 

they'd eat 'em if they were hungry Mark (evil)

mine leave the barley

 

mine dont leave the barley   they eat all thats put down for them if there leaving barley they've been over fed

[OLDYELLOW]

Straights & Nutritional Comments

 

Maize

The several types of maize don't give much feeding value in difference with the main differences being mostly in outlook and the vitamin percentages. Maize contains many digestible carbohydrates, little raw cellulose and an awful lot of fat.

 

Peas

Peas are the protein carrier to the corn mixture and they have a very high feeding value and are easily digestible by the bird. Difference in protein percentage can differ from type to type. Those used by Johnston & Jeff offers consistency of percentage. We do not use cheaper peas like the Canadian trapper peas where the difference in protein content may be 10% lower than those that come from New Zealand.

 

Beans

The same feeding value as Peas but on average have a little more protein and fat. The Tic Bean is an ideal breeding food for young pigeons.

 

Wheat

The wheat used in our mixtures is grown by a farmer just outside of Hull and the wheat bought is of biscuit quality. This means that it has a high percentage of protein and a lower percentage of fat then maize.

New crop wheat is always used for the Moulting mixture as new crop wheat contains a lot of sulphur which is an ideal moulting stimulant.

 

Tares

These are actually a pulse and are very high in protein and therefore are only used sparingly in mixtures.

 

Safflowerseed

Is rich in good digestible proteins and oils, phosphor and vitamins. This is why they are very useful in moulting and racing mixtures but their own problem is lack of Vitamin E content.

 

White Dari

It is very sweet for pigeons to eat but contains very little fat and very little protein. It is therefore, an ideal grain to put in to depurative mixtures or as a supplementary regulator to prevent a mixture becoming too heavy to digest.

 

Red Dari (Milo)

Very similar to White Dari in that it contains very little fat and only around 7.6% protein so prevents the fattening of pigeons.

 

Naked Oats

Very highly digestible food offering reasonable amounts of protein and extremely digestible fats.

 

Barley

This contains a lot of raw cellulose, little fat and little digestible protein. This is the ideal cereal for depurative mixtures and overweight pigeons can be brought in to condition again with barley.

 

Buckwheat

Contains an awful lot of raw cellulose but less fat than that of oats and the protein is a higher biological feeding value than most of the cereals. To be used sparingly in mixtures.

 

Linseed

Linseed contains a lot of fat and proteins; it is also a laxative and gives a shine to feathers. Hence its use in moulting mixtures and depurative mixtures. It must be used sparingly due to its properties.

[Guest slugmonkey]

I have been told that the red outer coating of maple peas contains a substance that is concentrated and use as a birth control agent I feed trappers but I also feed wheat and hemp and safflower as well as sunflower hearts

my birds will eat trappers without problems they actually prefer them to maples so I reasoned that even though the maples have more protien my birds will ingest more trappers and therefore are actually get more protien from the trappers which during race season I give up to 40%

[blackswan]

i am on the kings mill this week they love it ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest slugmonkey]

Old Yellow

There was an article on here a while back that refered to slow twitch muscle and fast twich muscle I belive you may have even been the one that posted it I read your link above with great intrest they said similiar things about which muscles used what but yet arrived at diffrent conclusions about how to feed protien I have upped the percentages of fat and protien after reading the first article and have never raced better also if you will add brewers yeast to the feed it contains a lot of B vitamins and will help with digestion of protien I also add flax oil as this is a catalyst for the yeast

[OLDYELLOW]

Old Yellow

There was an article on here a while back that refered to slow twitch muscle and fast twich muscle I belive you may have even been the one that posted it I read your link above with great intrest they said similiar things about which muscles used what but yet arrived at diffrent conclusions about how to feed protien I have upped the percentages of fat and protien after reading the first article and have never raced better also if you will add brewers yeast to the feed it contains a lot of B vitamins and will help with digestion of protien I also add flax oil as this is a catalyst for the yeast

 

also brewers yeast contains amino acids which helps the birds metabolism i read an article / book think my have been by 'Old Hand ' that vitamins arent absorbed if birds havent had linseed , and for those that like using oils flax / linseed oil has lost all its qualitys once pressed so has little benifit to birds other than in its seed form and soon goes rancid  

[Guest slugmonkey]

I did not know that the oil I use is cold pressed and is refrigerated and kept cold until I put it on feed do you think this matters

[OLDYELLOW]

I did not know that the oil I use is cold pressed and is refrigerated and kept cold until I put it on feed do you think this matters

 

Food-grade flaxseed oil is cold-pressed, obtained without solvent extraction, and marketed as edible flaxseed oil. Fresh, refrigerated and unprocessed, linseed oil is used as a nutritional supplement. It contains high levels of omega-3 fatty acids, especially alpha-linolenic acid, which may be beneficial for reducing inflammation leading to atherosclerosis,[3] preventing heart disease and arrhythmia,[4] and is required for normal infant development.[5] However recent well-controlled placebo studies suggest that regular consumption of flax seed oil may not reduce the risk of stroke, heart disease, or cancer any greater than placebo.[6] Regular flaxseed oil contains between 52 and 63% alpha linolenic acid (C18:3 n-3). Plant breeders have developed flaxseed with higher alpha linoleic acid content (70%) and very low alpha linolenic acid content (< 3%).[7] The USFDA granted GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) status for high alpha linolenic flaxseed oil.[8]

 

Although flax seeds themselves contain lignans, a class of phytoestrogens considered to have antioxidant and cancer-preventing properties,[9][10][11] the extracted linseed oil does not contain the lignans found in flax seed,[9] and therefore does not have the same antioxidant properties. In fact, flax seed oil is easily oxidized, and rapidly becomes rancid with an unpleasant odor unless refrigerated. Even when kept under cool conditions it has a shelf life of only a few weeks.[12][13] Oil with an unpleasant or rancid odour should be discarded. Rancid oils contribute to the formation of free radicals and may be carcinogenic.[14][15][16] Oxidation of flax seed oil is major commercial concern, and antioxidants may be added to prevent rancidification

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

I guess that answers my question

[Tony C]

Old Yellow

There was an article on here a while back that refered to slow twitch muscle and fast twich muscle I belive you may have even been the one that posted it I read your link above with great intrest they said similiar things about which muscles used what but yet arrived at diffrent conclusions about how to feed protien I have upped the percentages of fat and protien after reading the first article and have never raced better also if you will add brewers yeast to the feed it contains a lot of B vitamins and will help with digestion of protien I also add flax oil as this is a catalyst for the yeast

 

I always understood Vit C was the best catalyst for Vit B.