amtrak going bust?

[ChrisMaidment08]

well alright petrol costs to meet others 5 per bird to my mind thats free how maney times you jump in car meet someone  free

[Roland]

Rather a PR Firm, a Eagle Owl fund....

But Chris, just a pointer, you relate 'Free' Our selves etc.

That is respectfully cockoo, pie in the sky.

To fetch costs, then deliver cost fuel, whether a fancier or not. Time and effort for nowt soon becomes a Burden and a pain in the *expletive removed*.

Then one will have to put up with the whingers and moaners ... OH Yes they will be there to spout, voice their' so called rights and make no mistake about that... even asking and saying things like 'Well Amtrax etc. cost a little more, or the great halo of 'Well if you didn't want to do it you shouldn't have volunteered... plenty who would have LMAO!...That they'd had rather have pay the little extra than.... crap scenario.... And then the pain reaches then neck! Soon there's jolt into the brain and a little voice saying 'Psst, Pystt, your p***sed off.... aint worth it... just p**s off and leave them to it.

But in an ideal situation... and Ideal world, a right to...

[ChrisMaidment08]

well i have had birds 40 years not gharged anyone yet and have traveled 10000miles free to meet fanciers nuts no just like meeting peaple roland although i respect what you write a few more with the same down hearted veiw and we will all give up think positive man do somthing youer end i presume you drive

[Guest chrisss]

Rather a PR Firm, a Eagle Owl fund....

But Chris, just a pointer, you relate 'Free' Our selves etc.

That is respectfully cockoo, pie in the sky.

To fetch costs, then deliver cost fuel, whether a fancier or not. Time and effort for nowt soon becomes a Burden and a pain in the *expletive removed*.

Then one will have to put up with the whingers and moaners ... OH Yes they will be there to spout, voice their' so called rights and make no mistake about that... even asking and saying things like 'Well Amtrax etc. cost a little more, or the great halo of 'Well if you didn't want to do it you shouldn't have volunteered... plenty who would have LMAO!...That they'd had rather have pay the little extra than.... crap scenario.... And then the pain reaches then neck! Soon there's jolt into the brain and a little voice saying 'Psst, Pystt, your p***sed off.... aint worth it... just p**s off and leave them to it.

But in an ideal situation... and Ideal world, a right to...

 

and what great sage, is your solution to this problem,i don't really want to get into a row with the great one here, but lots of negative not much on the solution to the problem,how would you get birds from one end of the country ti the other [with in 24 hrs]without a national carrier?

[Roland]

Done stacks already in many ways Chriss, raised £'000's of pounds, Bought two transporters with money raised Free! etc. etc. as many write ups in the BHW will attest ... and on the latter note of your's had done so yesterday.

Apathy and wanting everyone, anyone barr themselves, to do it, and by golly a pat on the back quickly turns to crap if the slightest reason. Now tyat is the 'Core' we need to address, and doing everything for nowt makes you  - in their eyes - a Jackass or a fool, and they ... well you will soon be able to finish that line.

[Guest chrisss]

Done stacks already in many ways Chriss, raised £'000's of pounds, Bought two transporters with money raised Free! etc. etc. as many write ups in the BHW will attest ... and on the latter note of your's had done so yesterday.

Apathy and wanting everyone, anyone barr themselves, to do it, and by golly a pat on the back quickly turns to crap if the slightest reason. Now tyat is the 'Core' we need to address, and doing everything for nowt makes you  - in their eyes - a Jackass or a fool, and they ... well you will soon be able to finish that line.

 

no disrespect,but the sad point is,that you are right

[ChrisMaidment08]

well along those lines two transporters this that yet seem very down on anyone who trys or does help others

[Guest IB]

Like it ir not, Amtrak (like British Railways in its time) was the only truly National Carrier, most of the others were Regional only.

 

Like the Carrier on here says, he needs a minimum level of business to break even, and even he is not getting that. And the business can't be said to be regular.

 

During the peaks (racing season) we have our own transport network criss-crossing the country, and 50% of the time its carrying empty crates back to Federation home base. I only know of 2 stray centres, 1 for NEHU, and 1 for SHU (YBs only) which make use of a small part of that network. Doesn't need a genius to figure out what's needed here.

 

[Roland]

 

and what great sage, is your solution to this problem,i don't really want to get into a row with the great one here, but lots of negative not much on the solution to the problem,how would you get birds from one end of the country ti the other [with in 24 hrs]without a national carrier?

 

Needs to be a national Courier firm like Amtrak or AMdeliveries... Yes a net work of pigeon fanciers in each county would be a great boon. Indeed they could work in conjuction with the national courier. Indeed pass birds over to niebouring counties  Counties.

Yes a fancier taking birds to adjoining county is great in essence, and theory works well, and should work... except fot two things, One Human elements, and two there will soon only be a few of us left, and getting more crap in the ear every day.

Now from Peterbough to Northampton it is 50 miles say, and N to S same with a blumming lot of fanciers... time and place to collect! Yes have a collection piont for each CLUB and then they to another central collection point. Simple, probably would in reality need more than 1 or 2. Who is there that will start and carry it through, never mind the spirited flame glowing for starter, for the long haul. And does one really believe that if any one ceases to be able to do it that there will be another, let alone a queue to take their place?!

Yes I have me name down. No I can't do 48 hour weeks driving for nowt. -Sure would at last have time to train me birds again...

So that is surely the first stumbling block to sort out!

 

[Roland]

well along those lines two transporters this that yet seem very down on anyone who trys or does help others

 

Yes heart will... but reality must sooner or later be taken into account.

Golly misses moans enough already with out... the same beat goes on. Sort it out, get it up and running and I'll be there... But first things first, LOOK and the bigger picture. Andyes Chris you may well have also travelled 1000's of miles for free, but then again you can obviously afford too. many of us can't, Family commitments etc. etc. That has to be another slant. Sure I'm not down beating, just trying to set out the pitfalls and what is realism. Golly seen fanciers pack up because the subs went up a £1 a year!

[Roland]

 

no disrespect,but the sad point is,that you are right

 

Chriss I honestly wish i wasn't!

[Guest chrisss]

the truly sad part is that ,a while back some one posted about what would happen if amrak[the only national carrier for all of their many faults]were to pull the pin,a lot of guys [including me] were saying good riddance,now we might all be in the "brown stuff" a good lesson in be careful in what you wish for!!!

[ChrisMaidment08]

wwell i can start service at 15 quid bird in wales ouside border 20  that covers petrol i know another on this thread will do it as well further afield therby covering wales

[Roland]

that's a great start, and realistic too. £15 + extra to Scotland... May well be cheaper and if carried by fanciers a lot better. Now at least some sensible imput. So for Glouster say another £5... Birmingham a tenner.... Northants another say £5.... Wales is close to most of the South Coast and even London in real terms. (West needs no mention obviously) and West Midlands..... Again North West closeish... Cumbria, and then there may be a loft or two in Scotland... Turning on the gas... not cooking yet, but a heading into realism I feel.

[ChrisMaidment08]

that's a great start, and realistic too. £15 + extra to Scotland... May well be cheaper and if carried by fanciers a lot better. Now at least some sensible imput. So for Glouster say another £5... Birmingham a tenner.... Northants another say £5.... Wales is close to most of the South Coast and even London in real terms. (West needs no mention obviously) and West Midlands..... Again North West closeish... Cumbria, and then there may be a loft or two in Scotland... Turning on the gas... not cooking yet, but a heading into realism I feel.

 

what same as last time died a death id do it in wales as im sure others will

[amdeliveries]

at last someone has the right idea.  you dont need a courier like me to transport your birds you just need a bit of thought and some commitment.

 

no one can carrier your birds or treat them as well as you can.

 

keep this idea going. you really can get this sorted for yourselves.

 

i know im doing myself out of a golden oppertunity but i would rather it was done by yourselves.

 

i will help where ever i can.

 

cheers

[Guest chrisss]

at last someone has the right idea.  you dont need a courier like me to transport your birds you just need a bit of thought and some commitment.

 

no one can carrier your birds or treat them as well as you can.

 

keep this idea going. you really can get this sorted for yourselves.

 

i know im doing myself out of a golden oppertunity but i would rather it was done by yourselves.

 

i will help where ever i can.

 

cheers

 

thats a good sign,amtrak gone,am not exactly rushing to fill the void

 

[pjc]

Mike, as was mentioned before if you contact the studs, Louella etc you will easily fill your minimum weekly requirement to make it viable and then the aditional 1 here, 1 there fits into the system along with collection points.

 

Phil

[Roland]

Once there was a little ant, thought he'd move a rubber tree plant, every one knows an ant...

[tippler1]

well chris west mids and shropshire can be coverd by me and a m8 so who will do the rest

[amdeliveries]

i hae sent my details to  llouella, and others. i am still waiting for replys.

 

why should i rush to fill a void, i have other commitments other than birds.

 

i was tryin i repeat trying to set up an alternative to amtrak.

 

only a few have been in touch to offer support or give any ideas.

 

some just want to gripe and moan about me for chargin £27.

 

please try and transport anything from one end of the country to another for that price.

 

i should just walk away from trying to help and let you sort this yourselves.

 

i am a small company who needs to make a living like anyone else.

 

i gave it from december last year until july this year to see if business picked up it didnt.  i then stopped doing pigeon deliveries until i was contacted by a member of this forum who talked me into doing it again,.

 

he gave me some details and i have had a few messages of phil.

 

i have been trying since i got my licence to transport animals but everyone is set n there ways and uses a company who many of you dont want to use.

 

the answer was simple give me a chance, but you didnt, you still went and gave your birds to amtrak.

 

maybe it should be left to yourselves to sort out or may be you should contact companys like city link  or dpd.

 

they have a network in place already so should easily beable to accomadate your needs.

 

 

[Chris Little]

In all the years I have dealt with Amtrak I have never had one single problem with them other than the price.

 

However, all my needs in Scotland are dealt with SPDS, just wish they could operate south of the wall.....

[pjc]

Mike, at the moment the studs won't have any idea whats happening until they ring up for a consignment to go out on Tuesday at which point they may be told by Amtrak that they are no longer trading etc.

At this point and if this is the case, they will be looking for an alternative and if you have provided details then at this moment thats all you can do.

Don't take to much notice of some on here, I also run my own business so appreciate your position and understand you will not jepodise it for a few birds and ungrateful fanciers.

 

Phil

[Guest spin cycle]

i  sympathise with 'amdeliveries' as i to run my own business and i can't see how anyone can make it pay at £50 never mind £27. amtrak transported the birds but remember they couldn't make it pay ( if them going bust is true). trouble is £30 is a lot to pay.....but little to earn. IMO transporting pigeons can never pay

[schouwman71]

i stuck by amtrak aswell,they have always done a good job fetching my birds for me,its a real pity if they go bust because ill miss using them,they have been a good service to me.AND ALOT OF OTHERS.

 

les