Brother to Sister

[Diamond dave]

Can anyone tell me if a Brother to sister pairing is too close (they are not out of the same nest). Has anyone had a successful pairing from a mating as close as this or am I asking for trouble?

D.D.

[Guest stevie-b]

would be okay for stock then cross out but i personally wouldna do this for racing

[kirky]

ive tried it a few times, never worked for me, deformed legs on ybs.

[lawrie]

cant you breed your best cock to best hen? i dont agree with breeding brother to sister ect purely because of deformity. its a bit cruel.

[Guest strapper]

never cross nestlings..cross them back to parents or grandparents but never together.

[Guest stevie-b]

it depends also how inbred family of pigeons are

[Bugsy]

Close inbreeding works, however there are two main factors, firstly only use pigeons of exceptional quality and by that I mean top racers or breeders, secondly you must be absolutely ruthless in your selection of the offspring. Some years ago I paired two of my best pigeons together (both were champion racers) and they were full brother and sister, I bred six Y/B's from the pair but disposed of 5 as they were not upto the standard of the parents. One youngster was absolutely superb and she was gifted to Preece Bros and she went on to become one of the top breeders on their loft and has left a very good legacy of pigeons which are winning at national level today. Furthermore I paired my champion racer 'National Man' to his own mother and they bred two fantastic specimens thta also went on to breed a shedfull of winners. The golden rule is  :   Be Ruthless but believe me it works and ensures you maintain the line.

 

John B.

[Chris Little]

There was a Seirens cock that won a MNFC race a few years back, it was from a brother / sister mating... infact I am sure they were nest mates 8)

[lawrie]

but the 5 that were killed could have had defects due to in-breeding. i do understand why this is done, just think its wrong.

[Bugsy]

Lawrie

 

You are correct, they had no visible defects but did not come up to the standard of the parents.

 

John B.

[Wiley]

the tommy tucker cock lefebre dhanen was from a famous nest brother and sister mating. Ive successfully paired half brother to half sister however

[Guest Owen]

No mating is any good unless there is a way you can improve the stock. Just pairing any bird to another is not good enough regardless of whether they are related or not. I think you have to pair known performers with known performers and then test the young to find out if your pairing worked.

If I had two brilliant winning pigeons that had won under several conditions and they happened to be related, I would try them. But the important rider will always be that the young are tested properly. And if the young fail the test they should go the way of all wasters. Straight into the bin.

A lot of livestock breeders have it easy compared with us pigeon fanciers, they can measure performance easier and more accurately.

Count the eggs. Wiegh for wieght gain. Evaluate the colour. Our job has to take in things like the weather and wind direction, hawks, wires, clashes and goddness knows what else. But it is important to carry out these progeny tests regardless of how hard it is to do it.

[Diamond dave]

These are 2 yearlings which I wanted to pair to other birds but they werepaired as youngbirds and have gone together again. They are both out of agood stock pair. I didn't know whether to underlay them or take a pair of youngsters off them. This is  family I want to build my loft around so I might take a pair off of them and see what happens. Will let you all know when they win a NationAL.......

Thanks all for your replies.

D.D.

[Daisymay]

Why not pair back to the parents.??