Blue cock x White Hen

[North road racer]

Hi guys, ive seen on here that some of you know what the chances of the young colouring being by the parents? Ive got a blue cock paired to a almost white hen (slight saddle back). Had youngsters this year and last, mainly blue wf,s. But got a almost white this year? Whats the chances of geting another white in the next nest? Thanks, Guys

[OLDYELLOW]

the whiter the bird you pair a white up to the more chance of breeding a white but also as much chance of breeding there true colour , so with the other bird been a  blue , blue and blue pieds and gay pieds ( saddle backs ) are going to be more prominent than whites , if your wanting to breed whites  dilute grizzles dont revert back to there true colour unlike the birds with the pied factor  

[Guest Freebird]

Cocks also carry another hue which will be either ash red or brown. That is why in ash red cocks you more than likely see dark (blue) flecks in the flights and tail which tells you it also carries blue. What colour is the saddle on your hen and does she have a bull eye or a coloured eye? There are many types of white as well (ye, I know it sounds daft) there is even a ressesive white that covers the original colour. If she has a bull eye then she is a pied. If she has a coloured eye then the white is due to grizzling (I think) He He! Some bronze factors can also turn a bird white (whitesides), usually it gets whiter with each molt. Think most of what I have said is correct but don't quote me on it (evil) What sex have the youngsters turned out in relation to their colour?

[Tony]

this is what i get, each year two white grizzles, from a blue cock and a white hen.

[Guest lee duffy]

do you know what the parents colour was of the saddel back and the blue cock?

[Guest strapper]

i have a dark pied cock paired to a roland jansen white grizzle hen

 

1st ever nest ..they have thrown a blue and a white grizzle.

both yearlings.

[owen101]

got these 2 of chequer and pure white

[bigbill]

look the real deal mate

[Guest Thunder Birds]

Pure whites from a family that has grizzle in it have two white genes - homozygous or purebred white. Whatever they are paired to they will always breed whites or grizzles. If you have a white with some coloured feathering it may have another colour gene, whether that be cheq, grizzle, blue etc i.e. a heterozygous white. If you pair one of these to a colour you will get approximately 1 in 4 whites and 3 in 4 whatever other colours are in the ancestry

[tommiddo]

i got 2 pure whites from a cheq cock which is my best racer and a cheq pied hen who has only a small bit of white on her must be some throw back

[Guest Thunder Birds]

If they've got soapy beaks probably from a gay pied line going back to white rather than grizzle going back to white - couldn't comment on how it's come about though - not something I've looked into. Unless the hen's a bit of a slapper!! Lol!

[tjloft]

RJs throw up a lot of colour permutations red pied C x white slight grizzle hen - two dark grizzle youngsters - makes it hard to sex by colour!!!!!

[bluey]

The colours pigeons breed is not always straightforward, especially where white is concerned.

 

I have a blue hen, bred from a pied which throws white flighted pigeons in every nest even when paired to cocks with little or no white in their pedigree.

 

How can a recessive gene ie white occur so often ?

[Guest beautyhomer]

The colours pigeons breed is not always straightforward, especially where white is concerned.

 

I have a blue hen, bred from a pied which throws white flighted pigeons in every nest even when paired to cocks with little or no white in their pedigree.

 

How can a recessive gene ie white occur so often ?

 

although white is a recessive colour modifying gene,pied genes can be recessive or dominant.All depends which you have got,maybe both

[Guest beautyhomer]

Pure whites from a family that has grizzle in it have two white genes - homozygous or purebred white. Whatever they are paired to they will always breed whites or grizzles. If you have a white with some coloured feathering it may have another colour gene, whether that be cheq, grizzle, blue etc i.e. a heterozygous white. If you pair one of these to a colour you will get approximately 1 in 4 whites and 3 in 4 whatever other colours are in the ancestry

 

There are only three colour genes:-

Blue

Ash Red

Brown

 

No matter what colour a pigeon is a cock must have a pair of these and a hen one.Even a white pigeon will still have one of the above present as well.

 

White is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

Cheq is not a colour gene it is a pattern gene

Grizzle is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

[Guest Freebird]

 

There are only three colour genes:-

Blue

Ash Red

Brown

 

No matter what colour a pigeon is a cock must have a pair of these and a hen one.Even a white pigeon will still have one of the above present as well.

 

White is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

Cheq is not a colour gene it is a pattern gene

Grizzle is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

Correct! This is why I think there can be some confusion regarding how a youngster turns out as there can be so many underlying modifying genes laying dormant until the right conditions come together in a pairing. Some only need one dose and others require two i.e. one frome each parent.

 

 

[bluey]

 

There are only three colour genes:-

Blue

Ash Red

Brown

 

No matter what colour a pigeon is a cock must have a pair of these and a hen one.Even a white pigeon will still have one of the above present as well.

 

White is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

Cheq is not a colour gene it is a pattern gene

Grizzle is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

 

Blue and Ash Red seem obvious, but what is brown ?

[Guest Thunder Birds]

 

There are only three colour genes:-

Blue

Ash Red

Brown

 

No matter what colour a pigeon is a cock must have a pair of these and a hen one.Even a white pigeon will still have one of the above present as well.

 

White is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

Cheq is not a colour gene it is a pattern gene

Grizzle is not a colour gene it is a colour modifying gene

 

Fair enough if that's the terminology mate - I've been breeding for racing not for colour but what I said is true in terms of colour combinations - tried and tested.

 

What is black by the way?

 

 

[Guest beautyhomer]

 

Blue and Ash Red seem obvious, but what is brown ?

 

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/brown.html

[Guest beautyhomer]

 

Fair enough if that's the terminology mate - I've been breeding for racing not for colour but what I said is true in terms of colour combinations - tried and tested.

 

What is black by the way?

 

 

Black is a blue series pigeon with the colour modifying gene Spread.Black is not a pattern gene.The best blacks are bred on a blue checker.If you combine blue bar with Spread you can still see the bars in good light.

[Guest Freebird]

 

Fair enough if that's the terminology mate - I've been breeding for racing not for colour but what I said is true in terms of colour combinations - tried and tested.

 

What is black by the way?

 

 

Black is spread blue. Spread is another modifier which takes the colour of the tail bar and spreads it throughout the plumage. A barless meally is a spread ash red. A chocolate is spread brown. There are also variations to this as well. T-bar is a very dark chequer be it blue, red or brown.  

 

[Guest beautyhomer]

 

Black is spread blue. Spread is another modifier which takes the colour of the tail bar and spreads it throughout the plumage. A barless meally is a spread ash red. A chocolate is spread brown. There are also variations to this as well. T-bar is a very dark chequer be it blue, red or brown.  

 

A barless mealy is not Ash Red Spread.

 

A ash red spread just mimics barless,a true barless mealy is a combination of the colour gene Ash Red and the pattern gene barless.If you have a true barless mealy you will be able to breed a barless blue but I don't think anyone on here has done that yet when I have challenged them before.

[Guest newcomer]

Hi, this is my first post. I want to get back into racing birds again. Just a little bit at a loss as to understanding the relation ship between the Jannsen brothers and Roland Jannsen.  Any advice for a newcomer beginer would be appreciated.

[OLDYELLOW]

Hi, this is my first post. I want to get back into racing birds again. Just a little bit at a loss as to understanding the relation ship between the Jannsen brothers and Roland Jannsen.  Any advice for a newcomer beginer would be appreciated.

 

no relation just same last name

[Guest newcomer]

Thank you for your answer, I was wondering as most of these other questions are about colour breeding, I have noticed that most colours of Jannsens ( both ) and Louis Coreman are mainly blues or chequers, but once in a while you see Grizzels and whites for sales, yet there does not seem to be a sign of this when you look at the web pages of these fanciers, or from breeders advertisers who claim to have these pedigrees / blood.