Direct Beverdam Pigeons!

[Guest Paulo]

heres his ped

[Guest Paulo]

heres some pics of my lofts and birds so you know I'm not keeping crap and have a clean loft

 

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/forum/blah/m-1197279121/s-16/#num16

 

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/forum/blah/m-1170833469/s-7/highlight-beaverdam/#num7

[ch pied]

hi paulo , yes holland & belgium are flat , no were to hide . when in the summer month's the wind turn's mostly N/WEST , a weather shift knowen as the  MEISTRAL , prob spelt wrong

[Guest]

I have spoken to Herman on a few occasions and mailed him, the man is second to none in my eyes, and as for 48 direct and breeding nothing from them.. well sorry thats poor managment, like they say cant just buy good birds and hope for the best results, buy good AND work hard , and you will win !!

Hermans pigeons are total class as Andrew has stated, I got them and they breed winners and my best ever pigeon was from them !!!!!!

I have never been disapointed with any bird from him. if anything fanciers and alot of them forget pigeons are animals that require a quality of life, and many not all , but many do not look after their birds.

 

 

Sorry but thats a silly remark when you don't know the fancier involved! This guy has topped feds, combine and has directs from a lot of the top Dutch/belguim lofts. Money is not a problem but winning is, no matter what the cost if they don't perform they are gone and rarely "moved on". I agree that Herman used to have some fine specimens but maybe not as good now, if you read the above posts with dying birds etc, is this really a man of quality??

 

Like i said and stand by i personally know no one who has done well with his birds, but you can always try to disprove this theory by listing all the birds you had from him and what they have bred, and even a list of fanciers winning with these birds thru you.

 

[schouwman71]

if you want quality pigeons that will breed winners from belguim,go to the infamous lofts in the little villages who dont know about pedigrees and strains,just good winning pigeons,then again they might not want to part with there birds has there not into making money,with most now its 1 price for us and a different for others.And i do blame most agents for this type of conning.Has for the vanden bosch pigeons ive never seen any has good has gerrard schlepphorsts of germany,now he did have a track record for breeding many top winners in this country.

 

Les

[swilcox]

The only reason Raymonds Pigeons comes to the UK is, "I bring them", as we are partners its obvious that i would want to promote his birds here, we still sell the majority in Holland/Germany, with some going to the Far East, South Africa,USA and Portugal.

[Guest Paulo]

The only reason Raymonds Pigeons comes to the UK is, "I bring them", as we are partners its obvious that i would want to promote his birds here, we still sell the majority in Holland/Germany, with some going to the Far East, South Africa,USA and Portugal.

 

Just to clarify wasn't having a pop at you or Raymond in my earlier post. It was just general observations so no offence meant.

 

[Guest Paulo]

hi paulo , yes holland & belgium are flat , no were to hide . when in the summer month's the wind turn's mostly N/WEST , a weather shift knowen as the  MEISTRAL , prob spelt wrong

 

Suppose thats a counterside to the argument. I still reckon we look up to foreigners to much through and don't give our homegrown fanciers and birds enough credit.

 

Alan Darraghs results impress me greatly talking about Irish Pigeon racing in particular.

 

I suppose a lot of the awe is the mystique that surrounds Belgium lofts and Belgium in particular as one of the founding countries of the modern sport theres a tendency to get carried away and forget that same is in the UK there are plenty of average flyers and birds there as well. Some people tend to think that just because its got a belgium ring or its better than our own birds.

 

To compare sports it used to be the same in muay thai (thai boxing) it was believed that the dutch and thai's were unbeatable and streets ahead of the sport in this country. Then pioneers like Ronnie Green and the Harrison Bros started to beat top thais and dutch fighters and proved we had homegrown talent that was the equal of them.

 

Same thing in the UK with the pigeons we have over here now looking at the performances of Chris Gordan in particular.

[ch pied]

 

Suppose thats a counterside to the argument. I still reckon we look up to foreigners to much through and don't give our homegrown fanciers and birds enough credit.

 

Alan Darraghs results impress me greatly talking about Irish Pigeon racing in particular.

 

I suppose a lot of the awe is the mystique that surrounds Belgium lofts and Belgium in particular as one of the founding countries of the modern sport theres a tendency to get carried away and forget that same is in the UK there are plenty of average flyers and birds there as well. Some people tend to think that just because its got a belgium ring or its better than our own birds.

 

To compare sports it used to be the same in muay thai (thai boxing) it was believed that the dutch and thai's were unbeatable and streets ahead of the sport in this country. Then pioneers like Ronnie Green and the Harrison Bros started to beat top thais and dutch fighters and proved we had homegrown talent that was the equal of them.

 

Same thing in the UK with the pigeons we have over here now looking at the performances of Chris Gordan in particular.

no argument here , when the british bird;s are up in barcalona they have to fly the same route ie: up the rohen valley no mean feat . as if iam wright there is only one way from that race point . make no mistake the british bird's are as good as any bird's on the plannet , that has been proven . with out any doub't . can we call this one a compremise . we take the best they have , and make them better ,,,ch pied

 

[Guest Paulo]

no argument here , when the british bird;s are up in barcalona they have to fly the same route ie: up the rohen valley no mean feat . as if iam wright there is only one way from that race point . make no mistake the british bird's are as good as any bird's on the plannet , that has been proven . with out any doub't . can we call this one a compremise . we take the best they have , and make them better ,,,ch pied

 

Sure can can't say it fairer than that.

[murphy]

I have a question for the members of this site. WHY? is it that nearly every thread on this site turns into a lets have a go at someone. Andrew asked for direct herman beverdam pigeons and some of you start and put down Hermans pigeons. After 20 years in pigeons it still baffles me to why most in our sport are so BITTER. Just thought i would ask.

 

Regards

 

Damian

[Roland]

 

I dont doubt it Mick i was impressed by some of the birds i looked at on his site but everyone has to admit if there were two or three instances of problems at the same time it would not look good as appears to be the case here.

 

i am not actually knocking the bloke we all have problems with our birds from time to time and the people who say they dont tend to have long noses and go by the name Pinocchio

 

Won't be if they keep dying

Would have put me ofs big time. Mind I doubt very much that I would have ever .... so ... Everyone to their own I guess 8)

 

[Roland]

'  ....  . with out any doub't . can we call this one a compremise . we take the best they have , and make them better ,,,ch pied.

Undoubtedly do most seasons.

   I believe our fanciers are on parr with any worldwide personally.

Golly there are so any that are in and out of Belgiun - and other countries that it amuses me to think that some believe they have special powers and birds!

Top flyers the world over have always been in close contact.

Remember that the railway platform was often full when Frankie George sent birds abroad. Golly train loads went even to China in the 50's.

Just look back at the Ole writings about the discussion, like eyesign was a big debate nigh a 100years ago between the Brits and Continentals... though there is still no such thing as 'Eye Sign' in Begium, not even a word for it!

Ricky Maris ... well the beat goes on!