overcrowding birds Blackpool

[Guest ljb107]

I had pm disscusions with him last year and since then he seems to be keeping a low profile!

 

maybe just busy? normally is.

[pjc]

Well if you speak to him maybe he would like to come on and tell of his connection or exactly who D&T are etc and if he has no connection I will willingly openly appologise!

[tjloft]

I spoke to him at show and asked why so many, he said last year he had run out before end of show so wasnt making that mistake again.  I was surprised A with the condition and B the prices he was charging.

[Guest blythy1]

if the stall is there next year every1 of us should report them and keep reporting them till some thing gets done. i thought it was a disgrace and they should never keep birds if they cant look after them. > > >

[Guest Owen]

Well lads this a message for the Guy concerned. I hope he is reading this. Unfortunatley I could not go to Blackpool this year so I have no idea what he was doing. But if he does anythng like is being described here next year, I will let the birds out. And it will be quite an interesting time if he tries to get in my way.

[owen101]

is this the man that had unrung white rapidos

and about 20 crates full packed of diff breeds

[pjc]

is this the man that had unrung white rapidos

and about 20 crates full packed of diff breeds

 

yes

[mealybug]

I think we should all write to the RPRA and complain, if enough of us do it they will have to take notice.

[Guest blythy1]

is this the man that had unrung white rapidos

and about 20 crates full packed of diff breeds

 

thats the one mate.

[owen101]

i did not think there was any quality there at all

i found it to be cruel as they were packed in too much

[Guest WINGS 04]

i seen it and the where selling them faster then they could put them in the pens so if ppl are going to pay him then he will just keep bring them for me it was not a problem as they are his birds but i would not have bought any off him

[Mealy Cock]

What I saw was a lot of studs with birds in cages without any water; I only handled one bird off a top pairing

They wanted £280, needless to say "not impressed" saying that, the bird was in good condition.

 

The show was sadly lacking in ventilation, being a past sufferer of pigeon lung it did not go down well with me.

 

I had not been to the Blackpool show  for a good many years, I won't be going back in a hurry.

 

For those fanciers who witnessed poorly treated birds I will say; please write to the RPRA with your concerns

with the threat that if you witness such goings on agian the RSPCA will be  Immediately be contacted  

This should have the desired affect

 

[owen101]

i must say there were a few studs people selling pigeons badly treated

but i must say the pigeon that stood out mostly was frank taskers grizzle

on the left had side at his stall and alsothe soderlund ones

[Guest Owen]

I did not go to Blackpool this year so I did not see the pigeons crammed into the the stinking baskets. But it is enough that a lot of people on here have seen and reported it. It is my opinion that we, as a sport, can not afford to allow these things to happen. And I feel sure that it is not only Pigeon Fanciers who go to the Show or, for that matter, read this Forum. And it is the resposiblity of the RPRA to ensure that this sort of thing can not happen.

I telephoned David Bils and asked if he knew about the situation and what, if anything, had been done about it.

He said that the Guy, in charge of the stand concerned, had been spoken to by someone very senior and that he had improved his treatment of the birds thereafter. And he had been warned that he should not behave in that way again. David Bils made the point that there were thousands of birds at the show, the vast majority of which were treated properly. And we should not be surprised if there was the odd event such as this.

My own opinion is that, as responses go, that was about as weak as you can go. I believe that the Stall Holder should have been sent packing. We simply can not afford to allow ourselves to be associated with ill treatment of pigeons. And the idea of offering birds for sale with damaged rings must surely be illegal. Further than that, if it was thought that the rings had been deliberately damaged it could be argued that it was a Police matter. Just think how we all feel when we hear thar birds have been stolen? And in a case like this we have to wonder why anyone would deliberately damage rings.

So there you have it. It will be for the Fanciers who have seen this sort of thing to make up their minds whether this is acceptable behaviour and whether the approach of the people in charge was enough.

[swilcox]

Lets all be honest here we are our own worst enemies, if we fund these people they will keep selling, if everyone insisted on a standard both in selling, auctioneering, breeding, showing then these guys would be found out. I stood next to a stand on the saturday morning, i was stood there with 3 of the the best fanciers in Holland and they were laughing because they just couldnt believe that people would buy pigeons from this guy esp considering the condition they were in, he again was a none fancier!!!!

[OLDYELLOW]

hes smelt the colour of money when selling that amount of birds and breeding that many the quality of husbandry and birds certainly will be effected , top lofts never have that many birds to spare and usualy have a waiting list so that many birds would never be available even with a loft full of feeders   feel sorry fer neighbours must have a stack of lofts  :-/

[p charlton]

other than studs and people selling a few late breeds or packing in knowone is going to sell there good stuff this time of year

[DOVEScot]

It's a double edged sword, the stall holder will be trying to recoup his £1000 for his stall and the organisers will be trying to get as many £1000 stalls as they can. Once the organisers make their break point all other income is profit and they will just be happy to rake it in as long as they can. That stall was the worst of the worst but even studs like Louella had birds under hot strip lighting gasping for air and nothing in the drinkers if they had any at all.

Even humans were gasping for air in some halls, is this a new thing or what has been happening for years, I think not :-/

[badgeman]

Well Well Well , i have not posted here for a while ,just content to log in and read through the interesting posts then i notice my forum name appear accused of association or even being the seller of birds at blackpool by none other than PJC ,we have never met ,i have never mentioned  PJC by  name either , i am mistified . :-/

[DOVEScot]

Well Well Well , i have not posted here for a while ,just content to log in and read through the interesting posts then i notice my forum name appear accused of association or even being the seller of birds at blackpool by none other than PJC ,we have never met ,i have never mentioned  PJC by  name either , i am mistified . :-/

 

Just to clarify, did you have that stall at Blackpool?

[badgeman]

No ,i did not have the stall at blackpool ,i was not able to even attend this year due to personal problems at home , i am not a keeper of racing pigeons and never have been , i am upset about these remarks and would like them retracted .

[pjc]

badgeman August 31, 2009, 11:47am  Quote  Report to Moderator

 

Hatchling

 

Posts: 96 My mate operates D x T lofts ,why are you enquiring ?, pm me and i will help if i can,  

 

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So you do have associations with them!

As I said above I will apologise to you if you had no connection with this loft!

[p charlton]

No ,i did not have the stall at blackpool ,i was not able to even attend this year due to personal problems at home , i am not a keeper of racing pigeons and never have been , i am upset about these remarks and would like them retracted .

 

smell some bull lol

[badgeman]

  I have bought birds from this man over a lot of years as have hundreds of others and never had an ill one , i can vouch for how he treats his birds with nothing but kindness , yes i know him but i was accused of being the seller i think ,which is a different thing , i will back this man all the way if needs be , i can trust him not to stab me in the back when i turn round ? unlike you i wouldnt trust you as far as i could throw you ,i remember not long ago you were in contact with me lokking for birds from the same seller ? , how the world changes . i have definately changed my opinion of some contributers to  this post making a judgement of a person that they dont know or even met but there ya go thats pigeon fanciers for you ,thank god not all fanciers are the same , keep your green eyes peeled PJC ,

[PIGEON_MAN]

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