sapper756 Posted February 21, 2006 Report Posted February 21, 2006 I would never buy a bird from an advert that does not give you the full ring number ie. GB99 how many birds could the seller sell under that information?
Guest jason Posted February 21, 2006 Report Posted February 21, 2006 so true, sapper756, there's a lot of con artists be carefull out there when buying pigeons.
swilcox Posted March 1, 2006 Report Posted March 1, 2006 Hello Sapper756 I understand what your are saying but there is a security risk by printing the ring numbers of very expensive pigeons as its all to easy to have them stollen! Most of the birds i sell come with a DNA Certificate nows that a step in the right direction!!! Regards Stuart Wilcox
frank-123 Posted March 1, 2006 Author Report Posted March 1, 2006 SWILCOX WHAT GUARANTEE DO YOU GET WITH DNA WHO GIVES THEM OUT? JUST DONT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT DNA CERTIFICATE PLEASE INFORM THE POSTERS TA BART
Guest slugmonkey Posted March 1, 2006 Report Posted March 1, 2006 The way dna testing works is this a breeder or buyer sends in a DNA sample to be put in a database these are then stored as known samples when a bird is tested against these samples then the DNA strands can then be compared for content the closer a relative the more of this specific strand a sample will contain as far as accuracy the most likely way a sample could be contaminated is to have the wrong DNA submitted for the database sample or have the sample that a buyer has submitted to have been switched to that of original bird the companies that perform these tests have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS or even MILLIONS invested in this equipment and are more than likely not going to be willing to fake a sample as most are certified by various state and federal agencys and it simply wouldnt be in there best intrest to risk losing these certifications over a small piece of the market like this when you do DNA testing GATHER YOUR OWN SAMPLES most DNA labs will send you a kit to gather material along with specific instructions on how to gather them this ensures that the samples are not being tampered with or that someone is not sending in a sample from an actual son or daughter and then giving you a diffrent bird just because a bird has a DNA certificate doesn't mean that the DNA tested was from that bird unless you know for sure that sample came from that particular bird
Guest slugmonkey Posted March 1, 2006 Report Posted March 1, 2006 If someone is giving you a certificate this would mean that the parents would be in the database of the company that issued the certificate and you should be able to send samples from ANY bird no matter where it came from and they would be able to tell you if indeed that bird was a relative to the original sample
swilcox Posted March 1, 2006 Report Posted March 1, 2006 Hello Slugmonkey what you have written is mostly true, our champion birds are housed in Holland and the organisation who issues the certificates are in Belguim. They are very strict about testing and if things are not done 100% then the certificate isnt issued. In our case we delivered our main breeding pigeons to the lab where the ring number was taken along with the DNA Sample, after that the young pigeons can be tested and the sample cross referenced against the sample stored on the database. Its a very good system and it does give the purchaser the piece of mind required when buying pigeons. A test (sample) costs 38 euros! Regards Stuart Wilcox
Guest slugmonkey Posted March 3, 2006 Report Posted March 3, 2006 At last check it was about a 120 dollars to have a bird done here I don't know if the price has changed this sounds like a lot of money but if more of it was done I am sure the price would go down! again the issue boils down to price you have to decide what you are spending and what are you trying to do if you are spending 100 bucks for a bird sight unseen from the ABC auction yes 120 is a lot to spend but if you are spending 5000 for a squeaker from a " guaranteed " pair then 120 is a cheap piece of mind, if you are breeding a family of birds and suddenly start winning everything you enter then the money is well spent just for the fact that a bird you own is now a commodity and someone who owns a uncle that he bred to a similiar hen is now claiming to own the same family of birds you have bred, or another scenario, look at what happened to Clausing- if his birds would have been ( and I don't know that the weren't ) recorded a case could have been made if any were recovered that the identities could have been determined POSITIVELY and any questionable birds origin could have been proven as DNA is like a fingerprint each is individual As time marches on and our sport changes I think DNA recording will become commonplace but like a lot of advances in our sport it will be rejected and labeled as the devil until it is too cheap to ignore this is a tool, like many new advances a few will explore and a lot will cry foul but when you throw down your hard earned money for some champion and wind up with a commie that is sporting a NL band just refer back to 2 little words BUYER BEWARE
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