andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Hi, please find below a list of birds still availible i have reduced all prices to sell i am also possibly open to offers. GB04L52520, Dk Cheq Hen Bred by Tumley Lofts Stud from their very best Janssen De Klak Lines, Str Super 32 Winner of 3rd 2,218, 3rd 3,000, 2nd 1,844, 20th 1,884, 36th National 8,475 Birds also winning many further Club, Fed & Combine Honours. Super 32 is best from the best Borgman lines including "Raise a dance", "Dance a dream". £50 GB05V27481 Slatey cock Sire: bred by Jos Van Limpt De Klak, both parents were in De Klaks total clearance and made huge sums of money. Sire 97/325 lot 33 De Klaks sale, being one of his top breeders, he is direct son of the champion “613” and 96/340 dtr Borgamns De 25. Dam 95/325 “Wittepeneke 325” lot 22 in sale described in catalogue as “perfect product” of the Oude Witoger line, she is dtr of the brilliant 82/845 Klienzoon Marietje S, G.sire of winners and Nat winners, Borgemans, Arrie Van beek to name a few won with line of 82.845 several G.children of 82/845 made Mega Bucks at De Klaksauction here is one direct and a beauty at that! Dam GB04L52520, Dk Cheq Hen Bred by Tumley Lofts Stud from their very best Janssen De Klak Lines, Str Super 32 Winner of 3rd 2,218, 3rd 3,000, 2nd 1,844, 20th 1,884, 36th National 8,475 Birds also winning many further Club, Fed & Combine Honours. Super 32 is best from the best Borgman lines including "Raise a dance", "Dance a dream". £40 GB06N44897 Blue SireDe Klak, excellent breeding cock bred from top racers in Gestels loft. SIRE 99/036 1st Afdeuring Oost-Brabant 542b won over 25 prizes, bred from direct De Klaks. DAM 99/035 Blauwe 035 won over 30 prizes inc 957b bred from direct De Klak 97/197 son De Knook and 92/934 dtr De 566. Dam g.dtr De 613 both parents direct De Klak, proving to be a golden stock hen, dam of channel winners including dam to 5th sec 16th open St Malo CSCFC 1179b, another son won 12th sec 29th open CSCFC Gurnsey etc. SIRE 99/802 direct De Klak, ace breeder direct son De 613 one of De Klaks greatest ever racer/breeders champions throughout the world carry the blood of De 613. DAM 00/420 direct De Klak lines of Janssen’s Kapotborsten and Schaile Blauwe and Scherpen. £40 GB05V27485 Slatey Cock, Sire Bred by Jos Van Limpt. De Klak. A sensational breeding cock G.son of the famous “613” never again will one direct from 82/845 be offered. A fantastic unique opportunity here. Remember this cock 82/845 known by De Klak as Klien Zoon Marietje was still breeding in De Klaks stock loft at 16yo that in itself speaks volumes for the value of lot 3 82/845 Klienzoon Marietje S, G.sire of winners and Nat winners, Borgemans, Arrie Van beek to name a few won with line of 82.845 several G.children of 82/845 made Mega Bucks at De Klaksauction here is one direct and a beauty at that! Dam 96/484 direct dtr of the super star De 613 of De Klak and 95/527 dtr of Borgemans De 25 1st NPO National. Lot 3 a most fantastic De Klak cock direct from 82/845 Klienzoon Marietje one of the main stocks of Jos Van limpt De Klak! Dam NL 04 1524785 very good breeding hen from good janssen lines £40 *** G.SON Blauwe 613 *** Cheq cock 04.K.15791 De Klak bred in the purple De Klaks here being out of the best of the best of champions full brother of previous lot being double g.son of the famous De 613 and Kampiosduif 803 De Kalks best racing hen! usually sell for £150 + I WILL SELL THIS FOR ONLY £65 GB05V27480 Sire: bred by Jos Van Limpt De Klak, both parents were in De Klaks total clearance and made huge sums of money. Sire 97/325 lot 33 De Klaks sale, being one of his top breeders, he is direct son of the champion “613” and 96/340 dtr Borgamns De 25. Dam 95/325 “Wittepeneke 325” lot 22 in sale described in catalogue as “perfect product” of the Oude Witoger line, she is dtr of the brilliant 82/845 Klienzoon Marietje S, G.sire of winners and Nat winners, Borgemans, Arrie Van beek to name a few won with line of 82.845 several G.children of 82/845 made Mega Bucks at De Klaksauction here is one direct and a beauty at that! Dam GB04L52520, Dk Cheq Hen Bred by Tumley Lofts Stud from their very best Janssen De Klak Lines, Str Super 32 Winner of 3rd 2,218, 3rd 3,000, 2nd 1,844, 20th 1,884, 36th National 8,475 Birds also winning many further Club, Fed & Combine Honours. Super 32 is best from the best Borgman lines including "Raise a dance", "Dance a dream". £40 NL 03 1874700 "Inteeld 700" Cock 1/2 brother to champion Pinnical(This is the loft which bred Champion Pinnacle, NL96-1588147 who in 1997 was best bird middle distance cock all Holland WHZB National competition, against 44,000 Lofts with 1st Houdeng 3,785 birds, 1st Reims 3,002 birds, 7th Reims 4,843 birds etc etc. This cock was brough by Mike Ganus (USA) for Ј20,000 and a massive offer was refused for his parents (The Blue Pair) "The Beltman Blues were introduced last year and are allready producing winners in England, Scotland and Ireland!!!! Chamption Etampes 1st Semi-National Etampes is also a son of the blue pair. G.Sire of these two superstard was also best middle distance cock all Holland (WHZB). These birds, based on the Hofkens/De Klak pigeons are one of the most sought after families in the world today. ) £50 GB02 Cock meuelman x de klak Sire is bred by Ponderosa UK Stud, and is full brother to the sire of our Bergerac combine winner 460 miles as a yearling. She is also the g.dam to 1st open NFC 2004. Dam is '56' daughter of our No1 stock pair, who are responsible for 30x1st prize winners directly, plus 5 more generations of winners behind that. in all over 100x1st come from our No1 pair. a half brother to this cock wins the following prizes as a yearling this year club & fed 1ST/278 & 8th/2676 6TH/256 & 28TH/3037 3RD/102 & 15TH/1216 2ND/163 & 16TH/1326 £30 Unrung no 17, Blue Cock Bred form one of by best breeding pairs sire NL041720200 Blue Cock Sire 03/678 now at in our breeding lofts G.Son from the Famous Blauwe 613 of Jos De Klak. the sire is also a full brother to the "621" 1st Prov Ace Pigeon, 6th National Ace Pigeon, 1st 1 day long distance Ace Pigeon also 2nd NPO Bourges. Dam 03/676 G.Dtr Late kras 045 Arie Van Beek sire is a son from the late kras 045, dam is a G.Dtr to the blauwe 613. Dam G.G Dtr from the Famous Verbart 46 dam of fed winner. I Currently rate this hen as one of my top stock hens. Dam to 2nd Welsh South East Federation 2004 £20 GB06N44907, Blue Bred form one of by best breeding pairs sire NL041720200 Blue Cock Sire 03/678 now at in our breeding lofts G.Son from the Famous Blauwe 613 of Jos De Klak. the sire is also a full brother to the "621" 1st Prov Ace Pigeon, 6th National Ace Pigeon, 1st 1 day long distance Ace Pigeon also 2nd NPO Bourges. Dam 03/676 G.Dtr Late kras 045 Arie Van Beek sire is a son from the late kras 045, dam is a G.Dtr to the blauwe 613. Dam G.G Dtr from the Famous Verbart 46 dam of fed winner. I Currently rate this hen as one of my top stock hens. Dam to 2nd Welsh South East Federation 2004 £40 Unrung no 16, Blue Sire GB04L52474 Blue Cock bred byTumley Lofts Stud. Sire 02/540 top breeding cock top De Klak lines Dam 97/441 "Daniella" fantastic racer, winning 1st club, 1st fed Rennes 2,300 birds, 1st combine Rennes 3,000 birds, 10th section E 1,844 birds Nantes NFC, 4th Open 8,474 birds Nantes, 2nd club, 2nd fed Plymouth 1,876 Birds. 1st club, 2nd fed Taunton 2,087 birds, 1st club 11th fed Sartilly 2,562 birds she is also a super stock hen dam of many club & fed winners. Dam Blue Hen via henk beltman Sire 00/753 "Mike" Brother to Ace Pigeon Netherland Middle distance 1997 Pinnical Janssen. Dam 99/614 "Susan" sire is champion bred by Arie Van Beek De Klak, dam is a sister to the Ace Pigeon Netherland Middle distance 1997 Pinnical Janssen £20 GB04L52474 Blue Cock bred byTumley Lofts Stud. Sire 02/540 top breeding cock top De Klak lines Dam 97/441 "Daniella" fantastic racer, winning 1st club, 1st fed Rennes 2,300 birds, 1st combine Rennes 3,000 birds, 10th section E 1,844 birds Nantes NFC, 4th Open 8,474 birds Nantes, 2nd club, 2nd fed Plymouth 1,876 Birds. 1st club, 2nd fed Taunton 2,087 birds, 1st club 11th fed Sartilly 2,562 birds she is also a super stock hen dam of many club & fed winners. £50 GB05V27483 Blue Hen Sire GB04L52474 Blue Cock bred byTumley Lofts Stud. Sire 02/540 top breeding cock top De Klak lines Dam 97/441 "Daniella" fantastic racer, winning 1st club, 1st fed Rennes 2,300 birds, 1st combine Rennes 3,000 birds, 10th section E 1,844 birds Nantes NFC, 4th Open 8,474 birds Nantes, 2nd club, 2nd fed Plymouth 1,876 Birds. 1st club, 2nd fed Taunton 2,087 birds, 1st club 11th fed Sartilly 2,562 birds she is also a super stock hen dam of many club & fed winners. Dam Blue Hen via henk beltman Sire 00/753 "Mike" Brother to Ace Pigeon Netherland Middle distance 1997 Pinnical Janssen. Dam 99/614 "Susan" sire is champion bred by Arie Van Beek De Klak, dam is a sister to the Ace Pigeon Netherland Middle distance 1997 Pinnical Janssen £35 OR Buy the Whole Team for £ 400
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 these prices do not reflect the true quality of the birds the prices have been set to sell as these remaining birds must go just a few of the results these family of birds are partley responsible for: 1st open b.i.c.c pau only bird in great britain on the day 33rd hens international pau 4th open n.f.c dax 2nd hens international dax 23rd international dax 17,526 birds 108th n.f.c dax 23rd open b.i.c.c dax 59th open b.ic.c dax 145th open n.f.c pau 210th open n.f.c pau 10th open b.ic.c pau 15th open b.i.c.c perpignan 10th open l&secc san sebastian 45th open l&secc san sebastian 27th open l&secc tours 29th open l&secc tours 3rd & 5th club bergerac only 5 birds timed in race time 1st Federation Bergerac 192 members 1053 birds also winning super nom prize £200 cash +£50 Gem voucher 81st Open 36th Section London & South East Classic Club Tours 328 Birds 58th Open 26th Section London & South East Classic Club Tours 328 Birds 9th,10th club taunton 278 birds south road old birds 7th club picauville 250 birds south road old birds 9th club messac 192 birds south road old birds 9th club westbay 163 birds south road old birds 1st,5th club bergerac 45 birds south road old birds 9th club exeter 154 birds south road young birds 10th club newark 152 birds north road young birds 10th club taunton 412 birds 10th club exeter 389 birds 10th club tours 123 birds 8th club Tours 124 birds 8th club Messac 195 birds 7th club blandford 344 birds 2nd club Wincanton 355 birds 5th club wincanton 387 birds 1st club Exeter 261 birds 3rd club exeter 320 birds 29th open, 7th north west section London & south east classic club from Le Ferte Bernard against 2,772 birds. 16th,17th,18th,23rd,24th,26th club leicester 242 birds. 4th,16th,17th,18th,20th,21st club derby180 birds 1st,8th,11th,12th14th club worksop 132 birds 1st,4th,5th,7th,14th,15th club pontefract 68 birds 2nd,5th,12th,17th club derby 118 birds 4th,5th,10th,11th,13th,15th,16th,17th,18th,20th club worksop 120 birds 7th,8th,14th,21st,24th,25th,27th,30th,31st club pontefrect 99 birds 5th,7th,14th,20th,21st,22nd,24th,26th club northallerton 104 birds 6th open 4th section, 10th open 7th section, 12th open 8th section, 17th open 11 section & 24th open 17th section Ripon Southern Counties Classic Club 6th Federation Portland 2934 Birds 211 Members 4th club portland 242 birds 10th club portland 258 birds 8th club plymouth 133 birds 56TH Open 14th NW Section London & South East Classic Club1,901 birds 28th Open 11th Section London & South East Classic Club 1,667 birds Plymouth Yb National NFC 344TH OPEN 6,382 BIRDS BBC Sennen Cove 138th open 1,247 Birds Welsh South Road National 58th open 720 birds 22nd Federation Taunton 2674 Birds 556th Open 127th Section Nantes National Flying Club 485th Open 176th Section Vire YB'S National Flying Club 586th Open 210th Section Vire YB'S National Flying Club 96th open Young Bird National 6,497 birds £150 Guernsey London & South East classic club 29th open 10th section winning £30 210 members 1,723 birds BBC Lamballe 1350 birds 75th open 27th federation Yeovil 1183 birds 2nd club Yeovil 158 birds 2nd clock station London & South East Classic Club Guernsey 54th open 3rd NW Section 247 members 2,0001 birds. £250 1st club leicester 44 birds 4th club leicester 44 birds 6th, 9th club nottingham 88 birds 6th,7th club leicester 83 birds 4th club doncaster 95 birds 4th,5th club ripon 64 birds 1st, 8th,9th,10th club blandford 184 birds 9th,10th club weymouth 193 birds 10th club taunton 143 birds 2nd, 10th club exeter 309 birds 10th club wadebridge 124 birds 28th Federation Blandord 3293 Birds 8th club Honiton 172 birds 4th Open Dorchester & Dist Single Bird Guernsey Race 128 members 128 birds winning £149.55 £10 off total when you buy 2 or more
swilcox Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Andrew do these birds belong to you or your father?? Stuart
Silverdale Lofts Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Andrew why you selling the hens when last week you was short of hens?
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 These birds above belong to me as i kept the de klak stock my dad has the long distance stock we crossed them to produce our birds. the reason these hens are for sale as theya re similar bred to cocks i have in stock sisters etc i have nearly all my hens now at stock i want which i think i have a super team of stock birds for next year.
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 my farthers birds will be on in a few weeks, i think he still has about 30 young birds bred from my de klak stock this year some very very well bred aslong with his long distance birds and his race team
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 offers welcome on birds, any birds left at end of week i think i will auction to highest bidder
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 if your intrested in any of the birds above please pm me i can make some arrangment for you with regards to pricing as these birds must go
swilcox Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 So why are you quoting your fathers results if they arent his birds???
the detective Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 andrew is the m and d evans hen been sold out of wittenbuk 360 and mistress thanks
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 So why are you quoting your fathers results if they arent his birds??? hi, stu results above are results gained by our raing lofts which my farther deals with but all my farthers results have been bred by my stock x his long distance stock hopt this clarifies the situation
Tony C Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 hi, stu results above are results gained by our raing lofts which my farther deals with but all my farthers results have been bred by my stock x his long distance stock hopt this clarifies the situation results above are results gained by our raing lofts which my farther deals with but all my farthers results have been bred by my stock x his long distance stock hopt this clarifies the situation University.....................my *expletive removed* ;D ;D
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 Please excuse my spelling, not the best withought spell checker
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 GB05V27481 SOLD! GB05V27485 SOLD! NL 03 1874700 SOLD!
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 whilst i am having good clear out i also have here verkerk cock £125 bargin price! must sell
swilcox Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 Andrew I hope you dont take offence to what im about to write its ment in a constructive way and i hope you get where im coming from. Firstly there is nothing wrong with selling pigeons, esp if you want to makes ends meet or you enjoy the breeding aspect of the sport, or maybe you have very good results or you need to reduce numbers etc. However when i read your adverts theres always a gut wrenching reason for you selling them, closing down stock loft, prisoner stock sell, going back to uni etc when the truth is you just want to sell them. People tend to respect the truth more than the hyped up sells patter. I have spoken to you before via this forum about your prices and how they bounce all over the place, Lets take the cock above De 700 he is now for sell at £50 when only 12 months ago as a 2 year old he was the cornerstone of your breeding loft and his children would cost you £125 each, you have also used the term breeder of winners for this cock on occasions. The truth is Andrew he would never be for sell for £50 if he was breeding winners. I would sell any of my best breeders for £50 and im sure there isnt many that would. You can do your best to dress ordinary pigeons up but people are very well informed now and will see your angle. Someone on this forum Gareth Rankin asked me last week if he could buy some of my pigeons, i sad no because i would only let him have the bads ones and its true, if i sell Raymond Molevelds pigeons, latebreds or for someone who is leaving the sport you can trust that i will send the best, but my own birds, i want to keep the best, its natural. In my opinion you are doing the same, selling what hasnt really worked out (many do it andrew) But what really wound people up is you start of with a high price telling the story that these are the best you have and that these have been the stock that has given your father so much success, then when nobody buys it you knock em down and give em away giving the impression that you have treid to pull a flanker. In the last 12 months you have treid to sell birds on IPRR, Pigeonbasics, Fennemas site and Furipa. Maybe if you put your efforts into the sport and understanding the people in it you will enjoy more confidence from people like me. Im not just having a knock Andrew, i happen to think your father is a fanastic racer im just giving my veiw as i see it. Funny its a veiw shared by a good dutch flyer who nows your family very well, maybe its time to listen. Kindest Regards Stuart
swilcox Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 I would like to add quickly that the pigeons listed are wll priced and over sold so maybe you are already getting the message. Stu
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 thanks stuart, once this lots sold i am having a break from selling by birds as all i will have it my stock her them 4 / 8 pairs which will be nice i can concentrate on them and breeding thanks for tips i am new to seling game to all trial and error hopefully learning from mistakes, but the reason these birds are for sale is becase my lofts are comming down and i am at uni again so cant look after them all so had to reduce thanks m8
gangster Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 fair comment stuart i bought a cock off andrew and honestly cannot understand why he sold it, hes a real one, i dont think hes sold a better one
the detective Posted October 10, 2006 Report Posted October 10, 2006 andrew the picture of the blue white flight above advertised as a verkerk it seems to be the same pic of the verkerk x vandenbeele you have for sale on another post
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 that is his farther if you read all details the verkerk x vandenbeele is bred from the blue wflt in pic the one in this post blue wft is for sale!
andrew Posted October 10, 2006 Author Report Posted October 10, 2006 fair comment stuart i bought a cock off andrew and honestly cannot understand why he sold it, hes a real one, i dont think hes sold a better one i had to get rid of birds to make room this collection of klaks has taken be a while to build and i am only intrested in the best, all my birds i send out are bred form what i consider to be my very best i dispose of the birds which do not meet the mark not sell.
gangster Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 > >:(WHAT YOU ON ABOUT NOW U MUPPET WERE IN MY POST DID I SAY U SOLD CRAP!!!! TRY READING IT AGAIN FOR A CLEVER BOY U AINT SHOWING IT > >
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