i made an offer to darknight of a clock free of charge , i have since had a pm ,from another new starter looking for a clock , he being ( gladdo ) i informed gladdo the offre was made to darknight , and that i would have to contact darknight as to find out the state of play with his loft , i also informed darknight that another new starter was looking for a clock , and that both of them would not be racing untill the Y/B programe , so time was not a problem , the offer still stood for him , darknight said that gladdo's need was greater than his at the moment , and that i was to pass the offer on to gladdo , as he still has to get a loft up , and i respect the line that darknight took ( all above board ) sorry this is a bit long winded , i told both lad's that i would post the outcome of darknight's decision on the open forum , keeping everything ( all above board ) i can say darknight had no thought for himself , only for another new starter ,,,,,,ch pied