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This subject has been fully aired on here, and even Lanarkshire Fed members appear bored with its constant repetition. Thread locked.

I have had to moderate some of the language in a few posts. I am really sorry for both your loss and Jacks, and sorrier still that I have grizzles but not fantails which you would have been more than welcome to. Grizzles have been my favourite too since I was a lad, and I hope you get yours back. Agree with your comment on worth, Micko, these birds are priceless.

Firstly, these accusations as you call them had nothing at all to do with the Ingram & Langton thread, they should not have been on it. Secondly, Pigeonbasics dealt with the person, and he was banned from here. He therefore cannot sell on here, and the members on here are protected. Thirdly, we do not protect anyone that breaks the forum rules, and the proof of that is the ban and removal of the thread.

Admin pm'd you yesterday. This was part of that pm: "your PM's are still off and you are under a final warning this was part of your months ban"

Just Ask Me, this is the article on herpesvirus, bit on the long side:- Understanding Herpes Virus in Pigeons Dave Rupiper DVM Kenneth T. Briggs DVM, PhD Herpes virus, also known as Infectious Catarrh, is a contagious, persistent virus causing respiratory and neurologic disease in pigeons. In its breadth of clinical signs, occasional virulence and persistence in carrier birds, Herpes infections of pigeons somewhat resembles diseases caused by similar Herpes species in other domestic animals. (Fortunately, Herpes infections are very specific to their natural hosts -- we can't infect our birds with our varieties, nor can we contract the pigeon forms!) Birds having Herpes infections are often concurrently infected with Mycoplasma, Chlamydia (Psittacosis/Ornithosis) and bacteria.1 As a result, signs of disease may not always be straightforward. Herpes virus was first identified in pigeons in the U.S. in 1945 and in other countries during the next 40 years.2 Multiple types of Herpes virus affect other species such as raptors, waterfowl, psittacines and poultry.2,3 Herpes virus in pigeons may be of two or three different forms. The most common form, Pigeon Herpes Virus (PHV), may cause mild respiratory and liver diseases. Two strains of PHV have been isolated, mild and severe PHV.4 The second form, Pigeon Herpes Encephalomyelitis Virus (PHEV), may cause paralysis, torticollis (twisted necks and rolling) and other neurologic signs without causing respiratory signs, making it difficult to distinguish between PHEV and Paramyxovirus. Fortunately, PHEV has not been reported to be a significant problem in the U.S. but may be observed in birds imported from the Middle East. The third reported form of PHV causes inflammation of the cloaca and vent but the distinctiveness of this form has not been confirmed.2 Etiology (Cause) and Transmission: Herpes virus belongs to a group of DNA viruses known as the Herpeviridae which includes the viruses which cause Marek's Disease of poultry, Duck Plague, psittacine Pacheco's disease, and Infectious Laryngotracheitis of chickens.5 PHV is usually passed from affected adults to squabs during feeding. It can be transmitted by nasal discharge as well as in saliva, feces and urine. In most flocks, PHV is already present but birds only manifest signs if the strain is severe, as with PHEV, or the birds are stressed by management problems and concurrent diseases. Signs: PHV causes upper respiratory signs. These include reddening of the eye, cere and lids, nasal discharges, graying and filming of the mouth and oral cavity, and occasionally open-mouthed breathing. These respiratory signs and discharges are referred to as "catarrh." Other symptoms include fluffed posture, depression, diarrhea, weakness during flight and anorexia. PHEV causes neurological signs such as paresis ( muscle weakness), paralysis, circling, seizures and twisted necks. PHEV is also much more severe than PHV and may result in rapid and high mortality within a loft. Diagnosis: The classic diphtheritic (filmy slime in the mouth) upper respiratory signs are fairly diagnostic for PHV but may be confused with the "Ornithose Complex" involving concurrent infections of Mycoplasma and Chlamydia. Diagnosis is most easily achieved via necropsy (autopsy) of an affected bird. Special staining of the spleen and liver allows a pathologist to identify special inclusions within the cells which are called "intranuclear inclusion bodies" or "INI bodies." The liver and spleen often have tissues damaged with PHV. Treatment: There is no cure for the disease and only through improved management can we hope to achieve control.6 Treatment with a drug called acyclovir may help control severe signs but the disease often returns if the medication is discontinued. It is best to allow Herpes virus to run its course and let the birds develop a natural immunity. Passive immunity (antibodies are transferred from parents to squabs in "crop milk") protects the young until weaned. Isolation of obviously affected birds is recommended since they are often infected with other contagious diseases as well. Prevention: Killed and live virus vaccines have been formulated, but these only prevent shedding and dissemination of the virus from affected birds. Vaccines do not prevent pigeons from being carriers of Herpes virus.2,5 Natural infection of mild strains with subsequent immunity is still the best method to protect a flock from virulent strains of PHV.2 Like so many diseases of our birds, prevention and treatment often depend on cleanliness, good husbandry, good nutrition and preventing overcrowding. The days of keeping six inches of dry litter on the loft floor to prevent disease are gone, just as using NFZ to control canker and Paratyphoid is obsolete. Intense competition at shows, performance flying of young birds and increased production of squabs are placing more demands on the fancier in order to still be competitive. The key to success is educating ourselves about the disease process and by progressive management of our lofts. References 1. Schrag L: Healthy Pigeons, 6th English Revised Ed, Hengersberg, W Germany, Schober Verlags-GmbH, 1989, pp 48-53. 2. Tudor DC: Pigeon Health and Disease, Ames, IA, IA St Univ Press, 1991, pp 34-38. 3. Fraser CM (Ed): Part VI, Diseases of Poultry. in Merck Veterinary Manual 6th Ed, Rahway, NJ, Merck & Co., Inc., 1986, p 1272. 4. Kaleta EF: A Selection of Disease Syndromes in Pigeons. Proc 1st Conf European Comm AAV, 1991, pp 77-81. 5. Dorrestein GM: Viral Infections in Racing Pigeons. Proc AAV, 1991, pp 244- 257. 6. Marshall R: Management of Pigeon Diseases. Proc AAV, 1990, pp 122-135.

Pop the details on a post on here, I'll transfer them into your original list.

Paul, your last question on this thread has been used to create a new one on the same board, "Young Bird Sickness and Circovirus"

I've split this one from your thread on Paramyxo, they are very different subjects, and this one promises to be quite complex, so worthy of a thread of its own.

I've altered the thread's Title, Andy, I expect it will help attract more interest.

There was an earlier thread on this. I've merged the two, the earlier one appears first.

I have merged 'pigeon poo' and 'take a mick pigeon' threads, as they appear to be related. The pigeon poo thread is first. Will leave the heading up for now, but I would like to change it to make it more meaningful ~ that is, to tell people what the thread is about. So if you give me another title for your combined threads, Vanreets, I'll change it later. Thanks.

I've added the details into the first line of your first post, as requested.

The thread was deemed questionable by a Mod and an Admin; it has been removed to 'Topics to Check' for second opinion / decision.

I've merged the two threads on this, 'older' one appears first and gives more information on the background to the case. Hope this helps inform opinions.

Very sad business, Frank. I have altered the title of your thread, to make clear what's happened. I hope this helps.

As you have probably noticed, perfectly reasonable thread went to pieces through one member using improper language in his post to another, which developed into a flame war. The member on Guernsey is looking for advice on here, not a fight. I apologise to members who quoted Mick, their posts are removed only for that reason. This includes Chickadee, I have managed to remove that quote leaving her own comment, unfortunately, can only get it back as a quote. Please help each other.

No. I'd to explain that one before. Name's Ian Brown, (Ian Broon at the club). Hey Broono at my last job. So chose Bruno.

Sorry, yes, my name was Bruno.

Correct. This was advised by Admin in a Notice to members recently, so shouldn't be newsworthy. (1) An Original Member (2) An Original Mod (3) gave up being Mod and went back to ordinary member, new sign-on IB. (4) Asked on several occasions to consider coming back as Mod, and recently agreed; I retain my ordinary member sign-on IB to join in threads, and have Mod sign-in Bruno1. (5) Here to help whenever I can.

I'd say there was a disgruntled ex-member out there tonight. There is another one appears to have joined, but that's all it is, an appearance. The Fifer is on the case.

Have already reported it for Admin attention. Don't think membership accepted as yet.

I have altered the title to show both systems you request information on. I also note that you have asked for PMs but 'complain' on number of views your thread has had, yet lack of posts here? Hope others will use this thread to share their systems for both your benefit and the membership's interest.

This was a second theme that ran through the SNFC YB Race thread from start to finsih. Do you have a view on the quality of information available during the National races? Could it be improved? In what ways?

This was a theme that arose within the SNFC YB Race thread, which seemed worthy of decent discussion by some. Air your views, but please remain civil to opposing views, and keep on topic. Some off-topic material already removed. Thanks.

Ive altered the Title to Paramyxo outbreak. There is valuable information for others in the thread on this disease.