Mealy Cock

I sent my pied hen as a trainer at a local club open race 100mls for prep for a channel race, I was informed that the race turned out to be a bad one, she would have won the race, many did not clock.

Brill, have you read my latest letter from the RSPB, I have not heard from any other outside source to my e-mails

This is the reply I have just sent. Thank you for your letter. However it seems you are not prepared to answer my questions and feel You quite prepared to repeat yourself with stock answers. I am sorry to say you’re out of touch with what is happening in the real world A survey by bird watch, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8592300.stm Is self explanatory. The RSPB stance is the cold weather, funny when I was a lad we had worse winters, the RSPB spokesman says feed the birds in winter Of which do to some expense, only to be told if we do that the hawks are attracted, come on which do you want? Since you are a charitable society how’s about showing some form of charity yourselves and replace the birds for the young disabled child I wrote to you about, whose birds have been killed by a hawk, just by flying round the loft, “not racingâ€. Well it may be a long hard process but eventually genuine bird’s lover will have the views aired publicly as it seems more and more influential people are joining in the campaign. Michael

Well after a sent a second e-mail to the RSPB they decided reply with yet another stock and copied answer Reply! Dear Michael Thank you for the email. My apologies for taking time in getting back to you. With regards to your concerns of the on BOP, having a devastating affect on the wild population of birds is simply untrue. The Cause of racing pigeon loss is due to the exposure to many hazards during the 22-week racing season, Even though peregrines do prey on racing pigeons it is shown that only a small number are taken by peregrines. In Britain, there has been a recovery of Peregrine populations, since the crash of the 1960s. This has been greatly assisted by conservation and protection work led by the Society. Peregrines now breed in many mountainous and coastal areas, especially in the west and north, and nest in some urban areas, capitalizing on the urban pigeon populations for food. The UK peregrines are still under threat from illegal killing and nest disturbance, particularly on land managed for driven grouse shooting. The RSPB is working to reduce ALL bird decline, based on the best available evidence. The available scientific evidence clearly shows predation by birds of prey does not cause declines in their prey Predation is a 100% natural process and is I no way "sport". Much like the African lions predating on Gazelle. It is the food chain and completely natural. A recent RSPB petition hand-in shows how strongly the public feels about the need to protect our birds of prey, there remains a minority who see them as pests to be exterminated. Even if legislation were not in place to protect birds of prey, killing or removing even a small number would not be an appropriate or effective solution. It is unlikely that even killing of raptors on this scale would make a significant difference to the number of pigeons that return to lofts each year. Conservation groups agree with the UK raptor working group's rejection of any changes to the legal protection of birds of prey. The working group concluded that there is no legal provision for the licensed control of birds of prey to prevent losses of smaller birds. Kind Regards, This is part of another e-mail Michael Our species policy officer has instructed me to point out the following. In Britain, there has been a recovery of Peregrine populations, since the crash of the 1960s. This has been greatly assisted by conservation and protection work led by the Society. Peregrines now breed in many mountainous and coastal areas, especially in the west and north, and nest in some urban areas, capitalizing on the urban pigeon populations for food. The UK peregrines are still under threat from illegal killing and nest disturbance, particularly on land managed for driven grouse shooting. The RSPB is working to reduce ALL bird decline, based on the best available evidence. The available scientific evidence clearly shows predation by birds of prey does not cause declines in their prey Predation is a 100% natural process and is I no way "sport". Much like the African lions predating on Gazelle. It is the food chain and completely natural. A recent RSPB petition hand-in shows how strongly the public feels about the need to protect our birds of prey, there remains a minority who see them as pests to be exterminated. Thanks for the email. They are confirmed idiots and have not got a clue how to reply to question raised, they simple come out With a stock answer, make dam good politicians

Have you noticed that all these studies are as much as 5-11years out of date? Why won't they commission an up to date body to look at hawk numbers Funny they always have some form of standard answer

Not sure what you are getting at, where am I talking crap I am merely pointing out the RSPB write the same to every one ???????

Write to them again I did, got a reply, then I wrote again when they won't reply, keep writing! don't give up My old saying is, throw enough crap at a wall some of it will stick

Compare the two written my two different authors Michael I understand it can be distressing to see BOP feed, one cannot really pick and choose the birds that visit the gardens of the UK, but by feeding birds in the garden you automatically attract all birds closer to view and as a result you will see nature in it rawest form. Even though sparrowhawks feed almost exclusively on small birds, they do not affect their overall numbers. Songbirds produce far more young every year than would be needed to maintain the population. All these extra birds will die of starvation, disease or predation before the following breeding season and there would not be enough territories or food for so many. Sparrowhawks simply prey on those birds that would have died anyway. second reply Bamboo canes on lawn to turn fast approach route into an obstacle course Half-full plastic bottles or CDs hung up in trees to scare the predators away. If feeders are under an overhang (eg under tree branches) hang strings like bead curtain strands a few inches apart around the perimeter of the overhang to slow down the hawk The GuardnEyes scarecrow balloon works by introducing, what the hawk believes to be, a higher level of predation, so that it in turn feels stalked. If alternative feeding areas exist, the hawk may be encouraged to move elsewhere I think they are reading the same book, or a standard letter

I have wrote to the BBC about the RSPB video, it will be interesting to read the reply if any! Anyone else wrote to them?

I have a reply from the RSPB telling me by feeding the birds it attracts hawks. I am going to write to the BBC about that clip, what a crock of nonsense the RSPB is saying Anyone else writing to them

Needs posting on facebook, save our song birds

Nice one, I have just sent a further e-mail to the RSPB as they have failed to reply to my last e-mail, also I have sent an e-mail to Bolton Council about the damage to the roof of the church and pointed out a few facts to them. Would you believe it, It's official, small birds struggled to beat the snowy winter RSPB HEADLINE What will they think of next

Out of interest, I mentioned this before, has anyone got photographic evidence of a hawk strike and the after math And then billed the RSPB to get a response from them and put in the letter Since you are responsible for the care and protection the said hawk, the cost to replace the bird is £xxx I wonder what their reply would be. The other thing is if every fancier in the UK, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland who lost birds sent letters of compensation for replace, Could you imagine the cost to the RSPB and the man power involved for every reply. I know that when I start racing again it will be the first thing I will do if it happens to me.

good idea

I can only echo was has been said, I had a small team of cocks to race, each one had won prizes, some multiple! Same with stock bird, all my 8 pairs had bred winners, why keep birds that are no good.

Have you spoken to the cat owner

Just sent and e-mail to the program

It would take a concerted effort by all, all the Unions should get involved, public awareness is one factor, myself I have written to 3 news papers that have had reports on Peregrines and the untruths the RSPB write. I have also written to Bolton Council over and article about damage to the Parish church, one comment by Bolton council Was they claimed they had a duty of care if Peregrines took resident on council buildings to look after them! Anyone with knowledge answer that one. The case of Ant and Deck who commented that pigeons are flying rats, how many on this board have actually wrote to The program makers as a formal complaint about their comments, you would only need to quote the 1st and 2nd world War and how pigeons played their part. Since I was a lad I have read about Peregrines in the fancy press, today many years later we have the same stories Nothing has changed. All fanciers should take an active role and not sit back on their laurels, instead of "oh let someone else do it, Just to give a further example, last night I sent an e-mail to a group at Stockport Hospital they are bird and animal lovers, I have asked one person to contact their friends as to whether they would sign Save our song birds petition and pointed them to facebook, small things like that collectively become bigger.

Latebreds can turn out very good birds if looked after, just to give you an example, I had a cock that won the club by 84yds Per min and the Fed by 25yds per min, in an un-favourable wind, First race. I had the same problem on my 1st toss some years ago lost half my team and that was at 12miles, one returned 12months later mint condition. some things are unexplainable

I may use that link in my next round with the RSPB. They have still not replied to my last Letter, I have asked some pertinent questions, which I think they have problems with Two of them are about their own contradictions

Very interesting point of view

Further info I found http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/acts/protection-of-birds-act-1954

I have just found this on doing some research on the RSPB and the law. Go to this link what an eye opener http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_rspb_perverting_the_course_o Just an extract from the page Derek Canning LLB [HONS] 20 April 2009 Dear Sir or Madam, Why is Jacqui Smith ignoring my many letters in relation to the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds perverting the course of justice, with the express help of the police over the last thirty years? WHY HAVE THE HOME OFFICE IGNORED MY INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR THE LAST 11 MONTHS OR IN OTHER WORDS WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO HIDE? HOW MANY MEMBERS OF THE RSPB ARE ALSO EMPLOYEES OF THE HOME OFFICE? WHAT INFLUENCE DO MEMBERS OF THE RSPB HAVE ON MAKING THE LAWS AND HOME OFFICE POLICY THAT CONTROL USE? IF I MAKE A COMPLAINT OF SERIOUS CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES INVOLVING THE POLICE AND THE RSPB TO THE POLICE CAN THE POLICE REFUSE TO INVESTIGATE MY COMPLAINT AND IF SO WHY? IS IT FAIR THAT RSPB MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO CONTROL LAW MAKING, CONTROL EVIDENCE FOR THE POLICE WITHOUT THE POLICE SUPERVISING THE EVIDENCE? WHY ARE THE RSPB ALLOWED TO INFLUENCE THE LAW MAKING STRUCTURE TO THE EXTENT THAT THE WILDLIFE AND COUNTRYSIDE ACT 1981 PUTS THE BURDEN OF PROOF ON THE DEFENDANT THEREFORE A PERSON COULD BE INNOCENT BUT CANNOT PROVE HIS INNOCENCE WHILE THE RSPB WITHHOLD EVIDENCE AND OR DESTROY IT? YOU HAVE BEEN SENT THE EVIDENCE OF THIS FACT BUT NO ONE HAS REPLIED TO MY COMPLAINTS. THE AFORESAID REVERSED BURDEN OF PROOF MEANS THAT PEOPLE HAVE GONE TO JAIL WHILE THERE IS SERIOUS DOUBT AS TO THEIR GUILT. I HAVE SENT YOU EVIDENCE OF THIS BUT YOU HAVE IGNORED MY MANY LETTERS ON THIS POINT. Yours faithfully, Derek Canning LLB [HONS]

Has anyone actually attempted to bill the RSPB were proof that one of your birds has been killed By a hawk. The reason I say this is, if you are say a cat owner and it kills one of your birds You are quite entitled to claim for such loss against the owner. The RSPB have taken out and acted protectors of hawks, therefore are they not responsible For them in the same sense. Example; In Bolton the town church drains became blocked due to Peregrines leaving Pigeons carcases, which in turned caused the water to overflow and cause damage The RSPB had to remove their nesting box to deter them from further breeding On the church roof. I have actually wrote to the RSPB and asked they are they paying for the damage To the council, up to now the RSPB have not answered. I am going to write to Bolton council to find out if they are going to ask the RSPB to foot the bill. Any thoughts.

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