One of my best beeders was called Eighty Three, I sent him training from 3mls to 15mls he would take days to come home,
because he was bred well and brother to many good winners, i put him to stock, mind you he had fantastic eye and handled like a dream, .
Eighty Three went on to breed myself and others a host of winners,againt 5,000 plus birds, but struggled to get home from a short toss.
Regards Bernie