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What goes up must come down, im trying to move house at the mo and thats not easy. I have just moved the birds so that set up is not together now bart, broke my heart to see it come down. :'( Stuart

Andrew Sorry the following conversations by posting my comment, it was only a little advice, however i do agree with gangsters post. Good Luck Stuart

These hens are 2003. Stuart

There is about a 1000 birds at the mo but we hope to get that down to 600 by the end of the winter!!! Tell you what it all takes some looking after, good old Raymond. Stuart

Our No 1 Jan Theelen cock with his last Young bird of the Year, he bred a yearling that was 11th Nat Bordeaux this year.

Some of our stock pigeons in the breeding lofts The secound picture is four very specail cocks that have all won NPO's and Nationals over 500 miles

Breeding Loft and Stock Aviary

I thought maybe a few might be interested in seeing some pictures of our new lofts in Hilversum Holland!! Racing Loft (1st Nat St Vincent and 1st NPO Brive has already been won to this loft)

For sale Property of my partner Paul Stevens 2 x Jannsen Hens, dtrs of Sunny Lea Boy 1st Nantes BBC Nantes and sire of many winners, both hens have bred winners. He is bred down from Champion Quarry Lady. The dam is a dtr of Little Bull a top direct Jannsen £60 o.n.o each. Stuart Wilcox

Cock Pair 2

Pair 1

Property of my partner P Stevens who is leaving the sport. Pair 1 05 Blue Pie Cock/03 Cheq Pie Hen. Wildermeersch, g-children of Alwyn Hills Top Racers, purchased at his entire clearence sale. Cock has flown Berwick,Fraserbrugh and St Malo this year. Hen has scored well and well up in the Classic this year, she was our 1st bird from Thurso. £50 the pair. Pair 2 05 Cheq Cock, 05 Dark Hen, Jan Theelen. Cock a gson of Red Lady 1st NPO Bordeaux 5500b, 530mls, Hen a gdaughter of Monty 3rd Nat Mont de Marson 17,000b and Leila Barcelona 37th Nat Barcelona and a dtr of Red Lady. £50 the pair Pair 3 O5 Cheq Cock, 05 Cheq Hen Jan Aarden/Theelen from Herman Brinkman. All four parents bred direct from the line of Gouden Kweeker, Brinky Boy 1st Nat Limoges, Kras 185, Golden Brother 14th Nat Limoges etc, very well bred birds. £50 the pair Stuart Wilcox

Andrew Your trying to sell the Verkerk at £125 now, you sold the Gaby hen at £100 yet you want £125 for a young one out of them, what are the true values to these birds as you seem all over the place with the prices, its putting people off!!! Just Trying to help. Stuart

Bought by me, never raced, sold to tiawen, sent to belguim but never went, returned to me, offered for sale!!! Regards Stuart

Do i get a 10? ;D ;D ;D

For Sale Belg Belg2004 6274312 Dark Cock Bred by Theo Yskout, Top Belguim Middle Distance Flyer from Hulshout. This cock has one of the best Red Eyes i have ever seen. He was sold last year to a fancier from Tiawen but he was never sent due to bird flu and has now been returned. 1/2 Brother to Spikkel, 2nd St Quievrain 2000b 3rd St Quievrain 322b, 9th St Quievrain 2266b, 11th St Quievrain 2030b, 39th St Quievrain 1708b. Sire De 530 Vleigst, Karal Schellens Breeding. Dam Manuela 9th Sens 1452b, 23rd 1351b etc a g-dtr of Cerafin 15th Nat Bourges Herbots & Schellens. Contains the blood of Sabin 2 1st Nat Asduif of Belguim 1993 and Super Star 3 1st Nat Asduif 1996. Bargain at £75, (cost 300 euro as baby) Stuart Wilcox 07715 166066

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Mick The reason i didnt like the letter was, to me it was saying "we are doing our best so shut up" and as you are a commitee member and you do represent the National Flying Club in an offical way then its fair to assume you were talking as a committee member!!! But i except your point on that matter. Whatever you think Mick the National Flying Club is on a downward slop and not a rising one and the vast majority of the Members and for that matter Pigeon Fanciers as a whole in this country think the club are in a mess!!! John is merely pointing that out! However i am aware that its been a difficult season but i dont see the MNFC, BICC etc having members so p****d off! (Qoute) "You say that he is only saying what a lot of members in the Europa classic had been wanting to say, well, I am only saying what a lot of fanciers up here are wanting to say, they think he is a professional moaner, only an opinion". One of the problems Mick is the NFC members in the southern sections, the sections that have supported the Club year after year believe they are no longer being considered when decisions are made and when you say things like "the guys up here think he is pro moaner" maybe you should think long and hard about your words. John is a very popular guy down here and these things are often taken a different way than they ment!!! No hard feelings Regards Stuart Wilcox

Agree 100% Lovedeanlad, To me when your voted onto a committee your there to listen to the members not shut them up, it touches on arrogence to say the least. Stuart

You are introducing a new family, you have done your home work and found a fancier who is winning at the highest level at the distance you want to compete from with the right number of birds. Your 100% confident that this personnel will supply you with very good pigeons. You arrive at his loft to select your 6 pigeons and he takes you into section with 30 birds and tells you to select your own. He also tells you that the 30 young birds are from his breeders so there are all equal on pedigree. Now what criteria would you use to select these 6 pigeons? Wing, Balance, Throut, Look, feathering the list goes on. Would you go by instinct or intellegence (if you have the time to study them) or would simply ask the breeder to select them for you??? Stuart

Reading the letters this week i noticed Mick McGrevy (commitee member NFC) wrote a letter basically telling John Staddon to shut up. I for one thought this was in very bad taste and in my mind as a member John Staddon has the right to express his view (providing they are factual) and really Mick was saying shut up John its nothing to do with you. The Staddon Brothers have done alot for the sport and alot for the NFC and have certainly supported the races over many years and i dont think they should be made to feel by a commitee member that they cant express there view. Lots of people at the Europa Classic were of the same opinion, it was in bad taste and most were of the opinion John was only saying what all have been wanting say. The NFC seem to be moving more and more away from its members. Stuart Wilcox

Henrik nothing you have said has any credence in this debate! They are all none factual and i could tell you 200 or more stories how seals have fell off clocks, putting them in the oven but they mean nothing!! I once got in trouble because i timed two birds on the same secound with a T3 but they are still used. The real debate is, 1)Would ets benifit the sport. 2)Will it give an advantage. 3)Would a handicap system work to allow traditional clocks to be used on a level playing field. Its the constructive answering of these points that will allow a sensible debate. I look at somebody like Peter Wilcox the well known BBC conveyer (no relation) who cant handle a pigeon because he suffered from a illness as a child, do you ever consider those pepole henrik? Stuart

I know this sounds a little odd but if a novice contacts me i wont let him buy the expensive birds even if he wants them. Stuart

Its not about lottery grants, ETS or anything else, its about the future of our sport. the sport we all love may i add. In Holland, Belguim and America they us the ETS system without a proplem. The sport in this country has to move forward so that we can unite for whats going to be a tough future and whether we like it or not progress is progress and it will not be long before other technoligies come along, are we going to dismiss those as well whilst the rest of world imprace them. Stuart Wilcox

Im the proud owner of red cock, a theelen x aarden that flew exceptional as a young bird this year, he won 2 x 1st 1 x 3rd and 1 x 4th however the last two weeks he has shown serious signs of stress when he has returned due to being clocked. Last week he returned with his sister who won 1st, he came in 7 minutes later and this week the same happened, this time he took 22 minutes. In my opinion with ETS he would have won 6 x 1st on the bounce, won an RPRA award and still be enjoying racing, now he is already looking at retirement!!!!! Stuart Wilcox