swilcox

Very cheap at £50

I dont over race mine, but i have trained them every day for 2 months now so they have had 40+ tosses which have removed the week ones, will start putting them back now!!! Most have had or will have 2,4 or 5 races. Spent ten years flying every race with young birds and whilst they were hard to lose they seldom won!!!!! Stuart

He a friend but you cant rely on him, he doesnt do it intentially its just the way he is!!! i suggest your find a more realible source. Stuart

There great grand children of anything that has seen a basket!!!! But then again you may be lucky!!!! Stuart

Dear All I have let this thread runs its course so that I can get a clear and balanced view from everyone and I would like to thank everyone who took the time to post. Firstly on the balance of replies it seems that most people are in favour with me continuing to sell pigeons on Pigeon basics providing money is donated to the site and for that I will continue. I will do my best to find another super pigeon like last year with 100% going to the site. So I will answer a couple of Questions Quality I do my best to ensure that the pigeons I sell have health, balance and good feathering with what I see as good breeding (pedigree), if they have results then I put them down, if they don’t I don’t!!! I take the point that 30th from 2000b don’t make it a champion but it does demonstrate that it has bred a reasonable pigeon or too. I suppose many could dress these results up but I just put it down as it is. One thing I do try and stick too is that if a pigeon isn’t good enough for my own loft I wouldn’t expect anyone else to have it!!!!! The nicest thing is that 15 or so people called me over the weekend and I have received 4 pms from forum members saying that they have WON with pigeons bred from my selection so that certainly out ways the knockers!!! Price Now this is the area that courts the most controversy, I price the pigeons based on the value 6 of its children, might sound crazy but if I have a son of 2 champions then 6 g-children let say are worth £25 each then I price him at £150 providing the quality is as mentioned above, if it’s a g-son of two champions then the ybs would be £10 each as they would be gg-children so that would be £60!!! If im selling pigeons for someone else then they set the price!!!! Of course pigeons come along that demand a higher price due to breeding, strain and popularity etc, now I have never wanted PB members to feel I only put the cheaper pigeons on this forum so they all go on, that means I can be loyal to the people that are loyal to me and give them 1st bite of the cherry if they choose. As for the g-son of Wittenbuik and Turbo, the father and mother of this pigeon has a breeding record equal to Jester and Carrie or the great shadow from the same strain, children of these would start at £1000 and up!!! I have done my homework and purchased children of the top breeding pair in Holland from the Gaby family and offered it for sale at £500, it cost me £450!!!! If I had put a son of Shadow on at £500 people would have shouted cheap cheap, so everything has a balance and I will try and maintain that balance. So to those that have written words of support I thank you. To those of you that have questioned me, your right to as there are many that abuse pigeon selling but if I deserve credit for my actions then all I can ask is that you apply a balance and give me that credit. Question me to what you know not to what you may think!!!!!!!!!!!! Kind Regards to All Stuart Wilcox

Offers welcome over £50 for lot 2!!! I need to take down the old shed to start me new footings.

I get loads in the scrap but they cost a bomb new!! Contact your local scrap dealer!!! Stuart

Tsykes Read my original post!!

Lot 1 is now sold.

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Morning Mr Rakes, how the birds doing????

I may be opening a can of worms here but its a question i feel needs to be discussed. Pigeonbasics is currently and have for a while run a For Sale page of which many use, its not free as it requires a donation!!! Myself i offer a top quality pigeon each year and donate 100% to the running of the site, Last year it was £180 of which i hope really helped Richard, the same will be done this term. Some of the members are taking offence to me selling pigeons on pb, others see it as interesting and an opertunity to see whats available and new. I dont really enjoy being attack regular basis for selling pigeons when to be honest i merely passing them on at the price i paid!!!! So my question is do the members want the for sale pages and if so can they be run without the sellers being attacked. For example Harky has accused me of not giving pigeons to Help People when i have donated pigeons this year alone to Greengrass, SHU Auction (going on now), Young Fanciers Competition, 3 x Transportor Sales etc. If people are going to put these comments in writing they at least have to be correct!!!!! I have been a member of Pigeon Basics for a long time and value my membership and would like to continue to help finance the site through are pigeon donations. Stuart Wilcox

Noticed with mine Mike that they dont tend to make greatest of young birds esp the cocks, but ofcourse old bird Nationals are the game. At the moment the Vredeveld Janssens are out in front at Denston Walk. Stuart

The pigeon is being offered for sale because i move house in Febuary of this year and at this time have spent over £10,000+ starting up again, i have also had to work on the house. To finish off my set-up i still need one more loft which must be funded (so the wife tells me) by the birds. I started with 26 pairs of stock to get me going but next year i only have room for 16. Harky, I have donated more pigeons to charity and helped more people than you probaly realise!!!! But i can see recently that some people are taking offence from me selling pigeons on Pigeon Basics so maybe its time i stop!!!! Stuart

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Very Specail Gaby Vandenabeele Cock NL 04 Blue The cock is from the immortal 424, he one of the best breeding cock in Holland and probally the best Gaby breeder, his offspring and always when paired to De 68 have won 1st NPO Sourdon 13426b, 1st NPO Beek 32,000b 1st NPO Tours 14,418b + plus 3rd, 5th and 7th NPO and many other prizes. There is a waiting list of 2 years for these birds and they normally make a lot of money in auctions. This cock has been a very consistant breeder and two of his children were timed in the top 6 last week to be 2nd and 6th club, he is also g-sire to our Europa Pigeon from last year that was up with the ace pigeons. He bred 2 x 1st club last year including 1st Club from Liecester with the old birds. Sire Champion 424 bred by Gaby Van Den Abeele direct from Turbo 2nd Nat Brive and 2nd Asduif Fond, son of Kleine so he is a ½ brother to Wittenbuik, Turbo was paired to a dtr of the super Pair Wittenbuik and Moriska. Dam Champion 468 bred by Gaby Van Den Abeele, a direct dtr of Wittenbuik, son of Kleinen and Flicka, Wittenbuik was paired to Anneke a dtr of Picanol and Bonte 065. Inbred to Wittenbuik, Turbo and Kleinen, this blood is fastly becoming impossible to purchase!!! Only for sale as i need my next Widowhood loft by Sept £500.

Lot 2 Vredeveld Janssen Cock Blue NL2006 Sire Champion Musketier 3 2nd NPO Chimay 8042b, 15th Hannut 3,448b, 33rd Beek 4600b, 53rd Beek 14,940b, 68th Chimay 17,077b Brother To Musketier 1, 1st Maaseik 6926b, 2nd Boxtel 12,595b, 3rd St Quentin 5,071b And Champion Musketier 2 2nd Beek 14,940b, 2nd Hannut 129455b, 2nd Maaseik 6926b 37th Boxtel 12,843b, 49th Chimay 8042b. GSire Dutch Prince bred by H Vredeveld and son of Blauw 56 and Dutch Queen dtr of Boy and Queen. GDam Dam De Diament dam of 1st, 2nd,2nd,2nd,2nd,3rd and 7th upto 11,000+ birds. Dam De 313 a full sister Jan De Ruiters 231 who won 1st Heverlee 12,671b, 1st Minderhoud 12,026b etc and 975 who was 6th Best Pigeon of All Holland. G-sire De Superkweeker, one of the very best breeders of all Holland. G-dam Moader 3rd Ace duif All Europe and the 231 and 975, again class.

Lot 1 Vredeveld Janssen Cock Blue/wf NL2006 Sire Champion Musketier 2 2nd Beek 14,940b, 2nd Hannut 129455b, 2nd Maaseik 6926b 37th Boxtel 12,843b 49th Chimay 8042b Brother To Musketier 1, 1st Maaseik 6926b, 2nd Boxtel 12,595b, 3rd St Quentin 5,071b And Musketier 3 2nd Chimay 8042b. GSire Dutch Prince bred by H Vredeveld and son of Blauw 56 and Dutch Queen dtr of Boy and Queen. GDam Dam De Diament dam of 1st, 2nd,2nd,2nd,2nd,3rd and 7th upto 11,000+ birds. Dam Champion Young Princess 2nd NPO La Ferte Bernard 4614b and 2nd Nat 12,000b a g-dtr of Vredevelds Mickey Boy and Dutch Princess. £100

I thought those sprinters were Verkerk pigeons Mike Nigel Templer time in the Top 100 from Tarbes this year with a Gaby cock that has won a shed load at all distances!!!!! He was bred from 2 directs!!!! Stuart

There slower than Janssen based birds but they are good pigeons when racing 6 to 9 hours so they suit 250 to 400 best!!!!

On saturday i took 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th timing into a T3, i had 6 come together and by the time i had clocked the 3rd pigeon ten more were hammering around, it was a struggle to get the 4th and i missed me pool pigeon and then fell over dropping all the thimbles through the grills :'(. In reality with ets i could have had a dream result , first 10 or more even as it i must be happy with the prizes i had!!!! Esp being its my first year in the Towers club in Bristol Stuart

Well done Willey!!!!!

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