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:)Thank you The Saddler, I appreciate your input.

Welcome Bren23. Good site this.

Saddler, what do you mean by feeling hard. I thought the muscles must feel soft but pump-up

:-/ :-/What do you look for on basket day. Blood spot, pienk mouth, what else???

Does anyone know on what web site I can read more about wing structure, What it must look like for short or long distance flights.

I know very little about eyesign. I have read a lot on eyesign from Jack's comments on other sites and have tried a couple of times to see what comes from the pairings. What I do believe in is that the eye will tell you if the bird is healty and a good healty bird will perform. :

Good news. I am glad for your sake.

Sorry symbro, You are more clever then I am with the use of computers. What I wanted to did not work. Did I spoil your day?.

Learn about pigeon health visit www.chevita.com An interesting site. ;D ;D

Found this on the web. A young Indigo t-pattern velvet asleep in my apple tree left, A Blue Qualmond right. Basic Pigeon Genetic Information with photos of rare colored homing pigeons. Hi: My name is Ronald Huntley. I’m both a lover of pigeons and an amateur genetic nut. I want to know why one bird is one color while another is different. In the process I read pigeon books, pamphlets, made phone calls and sent tons of e-mails searching out the answer to my questions. In so doing, it became obvious to me that some good clear color photos were needed to aid in the description process. At about same time my lovely wife Patricia gave me a digital camera . With camera in hand I was off to the pigeon loft where I begin taking photos to go along with the information I was complying. I decided not to make a private journal but rather to display it here on the web so others, like yourself, could also enjoy it,. This gave me three more hobbies to pursue; photography, web site design and genetics. You could say this web site is my little book report on pigeon genetics. Just putting it together has helped me understand the subject more fully. I hope you too will find it just as helpful and interesting. For me, its an ongoing project so stay tuned. This web site will grow slowly but grow it will. I hope you find it to your satisfaction. Now before I begin, I want to thank all the genetic researchers for their keen insights and hard work in documenting their many studies and findings. Their untiring efforts made it possible for a layperson like myself to share in this knowledge. I want to thank the late Dr. Willard F. Hollander for his lifetime of dedicated genetic research, for his many books and articles published and for personally taking time to answer my phone calls, letters and emails. Doc., as his admirers so affectionately called him, passed away in January 2004 at the age of 90. All that knew, respected and loved him, will miss him. I feel honored to have been able to introduced my Grandson Michael to such a giant of a pigeon legend as Doc. I also wish to thank my friend Dr. Lester Paul Gibson for his excellent book. His many years in editing the Pigeon Genetics, News, Views, & Comments news letter. For his tireless efforts in answering mine and so many other’s pigeon genetic questions and emails. To Joseph W. Quinn for his many observations, books, CD’s volumes of research data and personnel time so freely given. To his lovely wife Mary for allowing Joe to spend time chewing the fat with so many of us pigeon nuts. To Bob Mangile for his research data and pigeon genetic web site. To Frank Mosca for sparking my interest in this subject through his written articles, genetic web site and many emails. To Dr. Axel Sell, for his excellent book on pigeon genetics. To Paul P. Cook, Jr. for his book Genetics Made Simple. To my friend and fellow genetic nut, Dr. Randal Herring for his generous donation of rare color homers and answers to my endless questions. Last but not least, to my good friend Tom Barnhart who started the whole ball rolling by encouraging me to start this web site project. I think Tom’s exact words to me were “Ron your killing my email in-box!!”. “You need to set up a web page for those photos so I can simply log in and see what you’re asking”. To make a long story short I did as Tom asked and this is the result. I hope you all enjoy it. These fine gentlemen and others, conducted the long years of research needed to determine what we now know about pigeon genetics. It is from their hard work that I compiled these next few pages. I would encourage anyone who desires to learn more about our birds genetics to obtain copies of their work. Information found on this web site was obtained from the following reference source publications: Origins and Excursions in Pigeon Genetics by Dr. W.F. Hollander. Breeding and Inheritance in Pigeons by Dr. Axel Sell Genetics of Pigeons Columba Livia (Gmelin) by Dr. Lester Paul Gibson An introduction to Pigeon Science by Joseph W. Quinn The Pigeon Breeder’s Notebook Feather, Form, and Flight by Joe Quinn Genetics Made Simple with special reference to Pigeons by Paul P Cook, Jr. Franks Mosca's Pigeon Genetics web site Tom Barnhart's Pigeon Genetics web site Bob Mangile's Genetic site web site Pigeon Genetics, News, Views & Comments by Dr. Lester P. Gibson, Editor That's my Grandpa John R Huntley on the left in 1916 with one of his prize racing homers. I'm the guy in the center with my prize show winning hen. She won best overall flown racer in the Carolina Pigeon Club 1999 show as well as best flown old hen. My eldest Grandson Michael Bingham is on the right with his recessive red Russian Tumbler. Michael is now a Mechanical Engineering student at Clemson University, Anderson South Carolina. Between the three of us we make over 100 years of pigeon flying, handling and showing. It skips every other generation. I think that's kind of neat. My other two grandsons Cory and Jake also like pigeons but they live in an area where they sadly cannot keep them. So just to make sure they don't miss out on all the fun I always save some of the loft cleaning duties just for them. When finished looking over my site’s material, please take a minute and visit my Links Page. There you will find links to all the major pigeon organizations, supply outlets, pigeon publications, pedigree software and of course other pigeon genetic sites. In addition, you'll find several pigeon clubs and individuals flyers web sites. Don’t forget thou to come back to this page when your finished so you can choose one of the links on the Pigeon Web Ring. Whatever you choose to do, I hope you enjoy it. Now with your mouse pick a pigment color or a genetic subject and click on it. It will take you, to that selected page: Glossary of Genetic Terms Genetic Symbols Chapter 1 - Sex, Chromosomes and Genes Chapter 2 - Cell Reproduction, Mitosis, Meiosis and Crossovers Chapter 3 - Genetic Terms and Meanings Chapter 4 - The Ten Commandments of every Pedigree Brown (.....the least dominant of the three true base colors Blue (+).....the next dominant of the three and the original or wild type form Ash Red (BA).....the most dominant of the three true base colors The Pattern Series - every pigeon carries two genes for these. Dilute (d) and Pale (d P) or " Yellow, Dun and Khaki " - sex linked color modifiers. Reduced®- a sex linked color modifier Almond (St); Faded (StF); Qualmond (StQ); Hickory(StH); Sandy(StS); Frosty(StF) all sex linked color modifiers. Opals(Od)Dominant Opal and (o) Recessive Opal color modifiers Grizzle(G) color modifier Indigo (In) color modifier Smokey (sy) also called Slate; Sooty (So) and Dirty (V) color darkening modifiers Spread color modifier Other Reds such as Recessive Red, Ash Red and Indigo red mimics Mosaic - What is a Mosaic? Ember color modifier Eye colors Birds used in the on going MC1-r genetic study. Frequently asked questions. Sorry but I have no "Birds For Sale". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ About Biology with Regina Bailey is a learning web site. Click on this link and learn the “Basics in Genetic” from a non pigeon prospective. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pigeon Links, National Organizations, Publications and other related pigeon information Click here for CARE OF A LOST PIGEON and how to find its owner Click here for Symptoms and Treatments for pigeon related illnesses. Chevita Gmbh is a German / Austrian pharmaceutical company engaged in the development and manufacture of animal health products. They have an excellent web site for pigeon related diseases and recommend treatments. There you will find a list of symptoms and treatment for just about every medical problem that may arise in your loft. It’s a great source of information. I strongly recommend all pigeon breeders become familiar with the services they provide. Click here and check it out. My Trip to the 1999 National Young Bird Show in Louisville Kentucky My Trip to the 1999 Carolina Pigeon Club Annual All Age Show in Greenville SC. My Military Career Next Page Disclaimer: I have no formal training in the area of genetics so I’m by no means an expert. I do read as much published genetics on pigeons as I can and discuss it with others that are. I try to observe carefully what I’ve seen in my birds. It’s these observations and some conclusions along with what I have learned from others that I share with you here on this site. It’s done in hopes that it will aid you to both understand and put genetics to good use in your loft. StudyWeb Email: ronhuntley@cox.net Copyright 1999 by Ronald Huntley. Permission is granted to download or copy for non-commercial individual use only. The author retains all other rights under copyright. Ronald R. Huntley Web Page Designer Warner Robins, GA 31088 phone: (478) 922-7950 webdesigner RONHUNTLEY'SRARECOLORS14APRIL2006123456789101112............

I found this on a Jack Barkle site: Wednesday is the day, back onto the good racing mix for Wed & Thurs, morning and evening and Friday morning a light feed of dehusked sunflower seed and clean water.This if followed correctly will make the bird peak on Saturday Morning, ready for the journey home.It is now Saturday and we are waiting for the return of the birds, always have warm water waiting for them, laced with electrolytes and honey or boiled sugar water.For Saturday and Sunday feeding, because of the exorbitant price of depurative in South Africa, I make the following mixture.Take a five-litre plastic bucket filled with Barley plus the same amounts of wheat, and mix together. Take a small soup bowl and put in twelve-heaped desert spoons of Torula or Brewers Yeast. To this you add one glass of FRESH Lemon Juice, this will take about six medium sized lemons. Pour the juice over the Yeast and stir until it looks like gravy, you then pour this over the wheat and barley and mix well in. Within two hours, there is no trace ofthe yeast and lemon juice; it has all been absorbed in the food. The reason for this is simple, I do not believe in purging but purifying, therefore Epsom salts and Dicestal is old fashioned and has a detrimental effect on the pigeon. The modern scientific method is to purify the blood and get rid of the toxins, which build up in a birds system. All racers if not on a depurative of some sorts will become sluggish and cease to operate at peak performance. We have now dealt with Saturday and Sunday, Monday and Tuesday Morning, dehusked sunflower again and evenings Barley. A normal ration per meal is one cup per ten pigeons, do not let them make you feel sorry for them, because if you exceed this ration, you can feel sorry for them when they have to fly home on Saturday, and sorry for yourself when your more strict competitor beats you once again. When I raced in England, I used to give Mycosan T in the water every Monday, because our birds do come into contact with birds from unhealthy lofts.It gives moulting problems in our climate so I had to change to Two teaspoons of Furasol and Two teaspoons of Oxyvital on five litres of water. I understand that these two African products are off the market for some mysterious reason, but that there are Substitutes.

The pigeons absorb Vitamin D while in the sun.

Pigeons are a way of life. The more you put in, the more you get out.!!!!

Prepair as if you are going to fly.

People will have diffrent views on when you stop having food available all day, but once the bird is flying arround the loft I only give food once a day. In the morning at the same time after they have trapped.

Thanks to all for the info. They are a ugly bunch at the moment.

We do not have youngbird racing in south africa.We fly any age allthough we do have some races where the bird must be born in the previous year, that is why the date rings are issued, is such an important factor. I still believe if a pigeon is put in the air tooolate it will not perform in its life time.

Will be checking.

I do not know what a bob-trap is ???

Close your trap off with removeable chicken wire and put them through the trap from the inside. When they get hungry they will enter the loft on their own steam. Make sure you only feed them after they have entered the loft, that way they will know they will only be fed once they are inside.

I believe YBS must be in the air by 30 days. They should trap from 20days, even if it is only to get use to the are arround the loft.

I treat 6weeks before training with Tylan,Emtryl,Terra vit,+Sulfa16 and do this once per month during racing season.

Our first race is 300km and we have to toss them at least 10,30,50km to make them use to the area.

;D ;D What else beside the normal feeding , do you give your pigeons during the Moulting season. What is realy good for them during this time.??????

I also wear a loft coat (blue) and shoes as my wife may take a swipe at me if I dirty her house. Try and keep in the good books at all times even the pigeons do.