Cheers for that owen, yes i did have them checked, they are fine all been treated as precaution anyway, So i bit the bullet yesterday, put all 17 of them in the basket, took them 4 miles, same place i always take them( had a disaster there last year only 8 out of 52 made it under there own steam on the night ended up with 18 to race) let them out at 13.30 took me less than 10 mins for the 4 mile drive back. got back looked accross the lake and n/e wind i thought here we go again! 20 mins gone nowt! then after 22 mins they all come together, flew for another 20 mins, and would not come in. (werent hungry) but i was pleased with that :-) and never been off roaming :-)