PATTY BHOY

is this it.

all the best in the SNRPC Martin.

jock3,you`ve got to stay.me and you have good chats now and again,don`t worry about politics.

seen this loft on pigeonbasics club pages,cracking loft

when i tried it,thought my car was a ringer ;D ;D ;D :P

what 1 on the pictures did you get.

have a look here. http://www.parkhallsheds.co.uk/lofts-aviarys.htm

Thought you might be interested to know that following the UKGovernment's freedom of information act you can now get access to ALLspeed camera offences registered in the last 12 months. Did you know that every time your car goes past a speed camera, even1mph over the set limit, it is registered and put on a database? Youonly get a ticket if you are way over the limit or, (this is the bitthat I didn't know) if you receive over 10 near misses, you will beclassed as a serial offender and get a ticket the next time you go justover the limit. This is why you hear of people being done for 34mph in a 30mph limitarea, whilst others doing 39 do not. You can check what has beenregistered against your vehicle at the following web address: www.i-database.co.uk Just enter your car registration. If there is any data on your vehicleyou can click on the camera window to see a copy of the photograph. Hope it's useful. If the link doesn't work just put "i-database.co.uk" in Google :-/ :-/

not had problems like that down our way,thank god.

how did this agm go.

where are you redpied.

time the birch was brought back for these cowardly b#####ds.

maybe get 1 here. http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1219929388/

welcome baz,you`ll have some good advice to give after 40 years.

SLIGHT WIND BUT VERY COLD.

much for the cock.

am comin roond tae your hoose for a bevvy. ;D ;D ;D 8) 8)

any joy.

after all the drink that Alf is going to have watching the footie it will be Monday before his clocks get changed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

you`re no the first or last to do that.

as long as they feel good in the hand and doo the business.

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Going back to basics is all down to your own beliefs and convictions. It all depends on whether you truly believe a pigeon needs a product to fly home and or win a race if that is your aim. I could give you two articles to read. Two top flyers both consistently performing, one medicates and one does not. Do you believe that, do think it is possible. Which one will you follow? What sort of person are you? Do you have the patient that can allow you to withdraw from medication and the consequences that follow? Can you stick it out? Do you believe it is possible to top the fed (sprint) with two different birds a fortnight apart with only 5 mins of exercise twice a day? Do you believe it is possible to do this with no medication and on a diet of 50% £5 per bag dusty mixed chicken grain and 50% £5.50 per bag turkey and game pellets? Do you think it is possible to be one of only three fanciers, at a vets specialising in pigeons and testing hundreds of birds, to have their birds show no cocci, canker or worms despite no medication?

Real apple cider vinegar is a natural substance, but only if from a bio farm. It strengthens the immune system, as it is an excellent source of trace and micro elements. However, this is only true of vinegar derived from apples grown in a natural (e.g. grassy) environment free of fertilisers and insecticides. An apple that is artificially cultivated does not undergo real ripening, and so does not contain the biologically complete stock of micro elements of which it is genetically capable. Apple cider vinegar is an ideal source of organic acid. Organic acids help digestion and the breaking down of food intake, and thus prevent the development of illnesses caused by undigested food. It is widely known that acidity prevents the spread of coli bacteria and salmonellas. These pathogens like a gently alkaline environment in which they can really start to proliferate. Apple cider vinegar mixed in water prevents salmonella from spreading in the waterer. Its acidic effect continues to restrict pathogens, even in the pigeon’s intestines. What is less well-known is that apple cider vinegar can be life-saving. Many have found that in hot weather pigeons’ rate of breathing can increase, dramatically if it is very hot, and pigeons breathe rapidly with their beaks open. On such occasions the increased exchange of air causes more carbon dioxide to leave the blood than normal. This leads to acid deficiency, and so the blood becomes increasingly alkaline (breathing alkalosis). Initially this process generates bad disposition, dizziness, then nausea, and, if it becomes more extreme, death. In hot weather we pine for soft drinks with lemon and carbon dioxide in order to compensate for the acid deficiency. If at such times we give our pigeons water with apple cider vinegar, we can save their lives. In prolonged heat we can achieve even more with a little apple cider vinegar than this. For in addition to the changing pH of the blood, potentially fatal processes are taking place in the digestive system. Heat is a powerful stressor, but is bad for digestion in and of itself, as the vessels in the skin, lungs, etc. expand, while the vessels supplying the digestive system contract. Thus in hot weather consumption of food declines, meaning that good intestinal bacteria do not have adequate nutrition, and so the acid they produce also decreases. Meanwhile, as we have seen, the alkalinity of the blood grows, which is life-threatening. Simply put, the body attempts to compensate for this by taking acid away from the digestive system, further increasing its alkalinity. As the heat stress has already reduced the resistance of the digestive system, all these factors mean that conditions are ideal for the fast proliferation of salmonellas lurking in the intestines. Thus in hot weather there is every chance that a paratyphoid epidemic will flare up. In most cases, all this can be prevented by a simple acidification of drinking water with apple cider vinegar. Like anything else, apple cider vinegar can be overdosed. In too great a quantity it can even damage good intestinal bacteria. The high quantity of acid absorbs calcium (lime) and removes it from the system, which results in motor and reproductive problems. So overdoses of apple vinegar should be avoided. The dose for 5% apple cider vinegar is 4-8ml per litre of drinking water, 1-3 times a week. If we administer it more regularly, e.g. in prolonged hot weather, we should choose a lower level of concentration. In addition, we can use apple cider vinegar for the disinfection of objects, e.g. waterers, or more precisely for the subsequent acidification of a sterilized set of trays. This prevents the spread of salmonellas in the outside world. We should use it for this purpose to wash the floor of the loft, observing caution, especially in enclosed spaces, because acidic gases in the air can reach dangerous concentrations

Renier Gurnay of Verviers, Belgium, began in the sport as a runner for the great Mons Hansenne of world wide pigeon fame. A teenager in the time of no timing clocks in the 1870's he relished the tasks that he had to do for Hansenne. For his love of pigeons had started early in life and this was stimulated by Hansenne whose own sons had no interest in the sport. In due course Gurnay received pigeons from his mentor and as Hansenne died in 1903 he purchased some very good stock of the latter's lofts because of his inside knowledge and began a journey which saw him in the eyes of others eclipse his mentor. His foundation hen called the 'Old Blue Hen' whose progeny won over 500,000 dollars was the base of a wonderful and prosperous pigeon career although he was a successful business man in his own right as a merchant in tailor linings. It is estimated that since he started racing pigeons in 1886 until 1936 Gurnay had won 600,000 dollars in prize money. A phenomenal sum in those day at the beginning of the 20th century. In fact in his first season his birds won 160 prizes in one of the largest pigeon bodies in Europe and we should bear in mind that his successes were achieved when Bricoux and other giants of the sport were at their best. One could say that fate had dealt a very good hand to Renier Gurnay for as some believe he had everything handed to him on a plate because of the genius of Hansenne and their relationship. Yes, I have no doubt that Gurnay was a good pupil and because of his role as a runner he was constantly taking in what Hansenne was freely giving and of course the obtaining of the best of stock. However there is something born within oneself which is a necessary prerequisite to possess in order to form a loft of winning pigeons at the distance especially if one wants to reach the heights of Hansenne and Gurnay. Of that Renier Gurnay definitely possessed. And I believe that this was reflected in the fact that he was a hard culler based upon a very strong love for and commitment too the sport. And this involved a loft of about 20 to 30 inmates and no matter what the bloodlines if one had to be culled it was culled. This was necessary for he was also a very close inbreeder who in the main kept his birds until they were 2 years before they went to the races. Again like many maestro's of the fancy acknowledging the need for maturity. Gurnay was acknowledged as the official champion in Belgium for over 30 years which is testimony to how he was thought of and to how brilliant he was as a pigeon fancier, breeder, and racer. And I know that myths can be created or grow up around the exploits of any fancier but the evidence available would suggest that Renier Gurnay was an outstanding participant in the sport of the common man. In other insights into various strain makers I have outlined some results but in the case of this master it is not I think a necessary practice. In fact I knew of one deceased fancier of my youth who was nicknamed 'Gurnay' and this was in the 50s of the last century which would imply that in the consciousness of the ordinary fancier Gurnay is a legend otherwise why use his name to describe the modest achievements of another?