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Mike
Thanks for your comments,and I have to say I have to agree with you, to many people making comments when they do not know the facts.
QUOTE FROM LovedeanLad ( If selfish equates to wanting to reward and celebrate winners from all corners of the UK then I plead guilty as charged m'lud ... take me away to the cells and throw the key away )
I have to say that I AGREE, in fact I would like to see a situation where the first three positions in ALL sections receive the same prize money, then those sections that send the most birds receive prizes of shall we say £25 pro rata to birds sent untill the money has run out.
But that would mean guarranteeing prize money and it has to come from somewhere, and that can only be birdage or membership fees going up.
I hasten to add that this is purely my idea and has not been discussed by the NFC.
Mick
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LovedeanLad, yep you right, there have been some great performances put up by the northern fanciers this year, I will never forget Chris Gordons performance and also Pete Hagland 1st and 2nd open Saintes, and also in other years, but the majority are won by the shorter flyers, and 90%of the first 200 birds are short flyers.
So my opinion is still the same, selfish attitude.
Mick
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Roland, and anyone else, not wasting my time answering you on this page, its all been said on the RACING TOPIC on the main board, but I will say its the biggest load of ill-informed cr-p I have ever read.
Mick
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LovedeanLad
Yes thats sounds like a good idea to solve all the problems, all money paid out to open prize winners. I don't know where you are from, but I bet you are somewhere on or near to the SOUTH COAST, I think that is a very selfish point of view.
Because everyone accepts that the weather and wind plays a big part in the result, the fairest way is to concentrate on sections, that way every one competeing in your section has the same conditions to race under.
Opens pools, if someone wishes to pool in the open it is entirely their descision, they know the odds so let them get on with it.
Mick
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Peter, im sure you are right, but I have to say I wouldn't.
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Richard, the BBC is different in as much as it marking costs are a fraction of the NFC, it only has one marking station, if I send to the BBC it is a days job for me in traveling, with more than a few hours driving. the NFC picks them up at Sheffield, and all points south, thats the diffence
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LovedeanLad....Richard.. you both seem to have your fingers on the pulse, and quiet a few opinions which I agree with, I presume that you are both NFC members, if so perhaps you would like to go on the committee and give the club the benefit of your expertease in these difficult times.
Its a sad fact that the majority of members in clubs don't compete.
Prize money is not guaranteed, and is paid mainly to the sections,and if the members don't send prize money will be low.
Saintes farce, I can't argue with you on that.
£30 membership was proposed by a member.
change entry fee, yes agree again.
loss on presentation night, mistakes happen contract small print.
We certainly could do with someone who seems to think they know it all, it is allways easy to stand back and critisise, the difficult part is to get in there and try to sort it out,yes mistakes have been made, but you show me a club which hasn't made any.
You don't seem to understand that the NFC is not like other clubs, and because of the area it covers it takes a good deal more money run.
At the end of the day, you either want to compete with all the country or you don't, if you don't then thats your choice but don't keep knocking. It would be far better if you could be constructive and try to make things better for all.
Mick
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Richard, if you mean bye what you here, is that there will be restrictions imposed by DEFRA again, limiting the distance that we can go into France, I think you can nearly guarentee it, but don,t blame the NFC for it.
Difficult descisions will have to be made again, and members will have to do what they feel is right for themselves.
I hope we have agood race for those who compete.
All the best
Mick
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Hi all, Ribble is right, the NFC is in a totally no win situation, and I think that if they had gone to Sennon Cove the vast Majority og members would not have sent.
If you talk to fanciers who have been in the game for years, there have been some real horror stories with regard to Penzance as it was in the past, reffering to it as the pigeons graveyard , Im afraid the members who are not in favour of Chale, for whatever reason, will just have to keep there birds at home.
I have to say if I was only 40 miles from the race point I would not send, but I would accept that there was nothing that could be done about it.
All the best
Mick
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Tony, what you say about weather conditions is true, it can and does effect the result, and lets not forget about the drag, which in my opinion is just as big an influence if not more.
This is the reason why the prize money for winning the open is only a small percentage of the overall prize fund, the majority of the fund being spread out over the sections.
I would like to see a situation where all the section winners and 2nd and 3rd get the same prize money, and then if one section sends more than another, show this by paying out smaller prizes (pro rata to sec birdage) of equal value untill the extra money raised by each section is payed out.
With regard to exceptional performances being put up by birds which did not win the open not being recognised, I think that fanciers who fly in national and classic races will see these performances and realise their worth.
All the best
Mick
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Well lads, point taken on both your postings, I think it was the east wind that did the damage, all I can say is that it has been a difficult year to say the least, and I can't see it altering next year, so good luck to all those members who do send to the NFC, AND i HOPE RETURNS ARE GOOD.
All the best
Mick
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I was not at the meeting on Wednesday as we were away on hols, so I cannot say for definite the reason for changing to Chale from Sennon Cove. However I would hazard a guess, and say that it was because of the dissasterous raceing that all organisations had out of Sennon Cove with the old birds.
I supose the committee thought that there would be very few members send again to Sennon Cove, particularly if the wind was in the east.
I have to say, I AGREE.
Richard, do you realy think that members would have turned their birds round at such a late stage, I think not.
Mick
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Richard, I think you will find that sec E sends the most birds.
I have to agree with Mike, every organisation this year has been trying to make the best of a bad job, and it may well be that we are limited as to how far we can go into France next year as well.
Just out of interest Richard, where would you have had the NFC y/b race from.
Mick
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Hi all,
its allright saying that the NFC should have gone north with the young birds, but how many do you think would have sent when they have all been racing their young birds south, I think it would have been very close to none.
Also looking at the returns with the old birds out of Sennon Cove, I would sugest that it would have been a similar send if the NFC had gone there with the Y/B. particularly if it had been an easterly wind.
With regard to members who are unfortunately not flying very far from Chale, I can sympathise with them, and I also would not send, but these are difficult times.
Mick
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Hi Jimmy, to answer your original question, I am realy only interested in channel racing, and I don't believe that the birds have to built up gradually through the inland programme before you send them over the channel.
My bird's first race, which would be with one of my local clubs, would be from about 140 to 170 miles, they may have two, then they would be sent over the channel to the first race with one of the classic / national clubs.
To give you some idea of the distance, Nantes is 434 mile to my loft, once the birds start racing over the channel, they will have a race at least every two weeks, provided that they have not dropped on a bad race, I have in the past sent birds to 500 plus mile races two weeks on the trot, and had good results with them.
At the end of the day it all depends on the bird and the type of race it encounters, I have timed on the day from 605 miles twice but it was a hell of a tail wind
All the best
Mick
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Hello all,
No doubt by now you will all have heard what transpired at the meeting yesterday with defra,
it has been sugested on another web site, that it may be a good idea to send a load of emails to the minister concerned and let him know our feelings, politely of course
so get typeing email the minister concerned at,
david.miliband@defra.gsi.gov.uk
Mick
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You may well be right about the " drifted in theory" but if it had been brought in by a live bird, don't you think that there would have been a lot more confirmed cases ?
Because there have been a lot more confirmed cases in Germany, I think that it is reasonable to assume that there would have been a lot more cases in Britain, if it was not for that wide stretch of water which the birds would have had to cross. Because they were ill, I think a lot of them have gone down in the sea, and as you point out they will have dissappeared into the depths never to be seen again.
Just an opinion Ive still got my fingers crossed.
All the best
Mick
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Just my opinion, but I think when they have tested all the birds that have been reported around Fife, they will all be found to be negative for the H5N1 type virus.
My opinion again, the swan which has proved positive for H5N1 in Fife was on its way over here fron Germany and didn't make it , it then came in on the tide,
All the best and good luck to all this year
Mick McGrevy
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Hi all, only interested in the distance, so my birds are made up of the base stock pair which was Langstone Delbars cross Krauth ( the cock ) the hen was from one of Sheffields greats, the late Fred Keeton offsprings from this pair have been crossed into some Busschearts and some Herbots which we had, they do well for us out to 704 miles
All the best
Mick
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Hi all, the last few post seem to be a little dissgruntled with the way the NFC is being led ( they say )by members on the committee coming from the northern sections.
Well all I can say is, its true, there are no represenatives on the committee for section A or B. That is not the fault of the club, its the apathy of the members in those sections, some of which would rather moan on about how bad the club is run. Nows your chance, get to the AGM and lets have the benefit of your expertease.
That last post seems like a good idea, liberate at sea, I wonder if DEFRA would go for it.
Mick