dublin boy

Yes that`s right kraftykev , yellow cock x red hen will give you yellow daughters and red sons. Also yellow cock x blue hen ,any yellows or silvers from this pairing will be hens ,all daughters will be easy to spot from these pairings as they will have short down .

You`re welcome ,Bryngwynt Lofts .

"Smokey" is the name of the gene that causes a blue pigeon to look like this . The big indicators are it darkens the feathers and can smudge up the bar and cheq pattern ,but it will lighten the colour of the skin/beak ect . It will also get rid of the "albescent strip", which is the white strip on the outside of the two outer tail feathers . It is also known as Schalie and/or Slate in some fancy and racing circles .

'White logan' If your stuck and cant get your hands on rec-red cocks ,or cocks that carry rec-red you can make your own . If you mate your two recessive red hens [choco meulemans] to say blue bar or blue cheq cocks or whatever colour you have , all the youngsters from these matings will be split/carry the recessive red gene ,no matter what colour these youngsters are they will be all split/carry the recessive red gene , So then you take the cock youngsters and breed them back to the rec red parent . 50 percent of the youngsters will be recessive red from these matings , so simple enough to do . P.S ... As rolldown has already said ,You will not breed more chocos by mating your hens to a grizzel ,unless of course the grizzel is Split/carrying the rec- red gene .

Oh ok ,I was looking at the tail bar ,and for the false pearl eye , Nice bird .

Hi Old Yellow , Are you sure thats brown ? Looks like a blue based pigeon with a lot of bronze ?

Beautiful looking bird Fly_caster , Good luck with him .

Hi gurnster, I keep some flying breeds that we also show , Irish Flying Tumblers ,and Spanish Theif Pouters marchenero`s and granadino`s , My set up is basic just different style perch for the muffed breed . Here are some of my birds . Irish Flying Tumblers . Granadino Marchenero

You should Paddy , Theres 2 in limerick a young bird show in august , and the main open show in October , then you have another open show in Carlow in November ,racing and fancy classes at this one . Then theres the Dublin show in November also, theres other club shows i can let you know about if your intrested when the time comes .

I keep some fancies too paddy , Irish Flying Tumblers ,and Spanish Theif Pouters .I like the wests but have never kept them . The show scene in general in Ireland isn't very big say compared to the u.k , but yeah more down here than up the north .Still good fun ,and something to do during the winter months .

She`s an 04 paddy and still filling her eggs ,She does have a ring on its hidden under her feathered legs ,She is split for recessive white ,and rec red which means when put to the right cocks she throws pure whites with bull eyes and the choco mueleman type reds .

No problem Paddy ,Yeah he said they have done England to Ireland so far ,and was happy with them , and was waiting til they were 3 yrs old to send them to france which will be next year so it`ll be intresting to see how they get on . Some of my kirkpatricks I picked up here and there ,But most came from a man that lived in Co.Carlow I did`nt know him personally but when he passed away I was asked by his son in law to rehome his birds ,they were all yellows ,I picked what I liked and parted with the rest ,but not much information on them at all . One of my original hens , Brian .

Thanks paddy ,Yes mainly for looks and colour ,Most have not been tested for generations , though I have given some of my old tuplin barkers out to friends that race .some have done well when crossed ,One guy has some 3 year olds from me that will be tested to france next year .

Thanks guys , The sire is so old he has lost a lot of his body now,so looks a bit odd in the pics ,arthritis I think, walks like an old man .

Thanks for that pic old yellow ,That's some head on that bird ,Willi has some beautiful birds and works with some of the rarer colours I like . Heres another bird I bred . and his sire . and his uncle .

It is intresting how most of the modern day strains/families I see don't show this trait any more unless they are well advanced in years ,I do rememember years ago there seemed to be more of this type around . Why do you think that is ? Do you think it was selected against by the fanciers ,or is it just how the modern day bird has evolved over the years . just curious as to your thoughts on it . I keep a family here that show good wattle and eye cere size ,they mature quick in head qualities . they are Kirkpatrick/barker based but are a mix of whatever birds Iike the look of ,I tend to pick birds with the same qualities ,so most of the parents and grand parents have big wattles ect... Here are some photos of 2012 cocks I bred last year ,notice the tusks on the lower beak . hope the pics work ,if the don't bear with me and ill try again.

Hi old yellow , Just wondering If you know of any other strains/families that are known for this big wattle and eye cere trait ? Thanks , brian .