quite agree patty boy ,, its the fanciers, be it wild song bird fanciers, fancy pigeon fanciers ,show bird fanciers , racing pigeon fanciers , farmers , game keepers that should be all pulling from the same rope all that keep any sort of birds ,,,,,all are having them killed by hawks , i beleive all pigeon unions,,,con-federations , the save our songbird trust s,o,s [made up mainly of dis-satisfied ex-members of the rspb],,the , gamekeepers,,, etc etc should join in force , also the public made aware of the true facts why the songbirds are dissapearing fast [and of course made aware of these war pigeons, that saved so many lives] there has to be a way , somehow, sometime,the sooner the better , but in genuine perseverence in never giving up this battle ,,,,,,by all, and alltogether,,,,the number of raptors are at an all time great , surely this has to be sought into, by the proper authorities i,e the law,,,, i,e the wild life and country act ,its time now for some of these wildlife and country acts to be changed