theres many genuine people sell pigeons , but theres as many who are not, just want to make a buck or two,, better getting pigeons from someone you know,or you can find out to be trusted, ive given pigeons away to fanciers, then they say their no good,, another fancier [exactly the same breeding ] ist 2cnd 380 miles,, a differant fancier 1st 360 miles , some of these birds are to go 550 miles next year, they may do nowt but on the other hand ,who knows, its a queer old game :)