bigda why should he give full ringnumber, he has the pair and they can be verified by the original owners, i dont blame him not putting full ringnumbers up as nowadays it seems the in thing to break in to peoples lofts and take so why make it easier for anyone , ben is only 16 and made afew mistakes and im sure he has learnt from them but i find he would help people out if need be as i enquired about a silver he had for sale and it had been sold and he said he would send me one free of charge, if you are intrested in bidding for said yb pm him or bid but give the lad a break................ no wonder young lads dont take up pigeon racing with all the hassle they get