i know what to look for in a bird no probs with that when i was younger i had the bits and bobs the odd bird here and there had the kosicek (soz about spelling) jansons the slateys what did ok and some kirkpatricks. but then i started spending at the same place mr brian green i had the houbens of him then the van boxmeer jannsons what won from day one. tried the la fabs of a bloke from liverpool but they could not live with my birds my last young bird season had some gurneys what did well as youngters. what i am trying to say its hard buying birds at the start i think i need to find someone who wins flying nateral and look at his birds,