Thanks PJC, I was going to say that, but thought i might sound a bit offish. If everyone knew how much it has cost to set up this small on the side business, they'd know why the bank manager hates me. It's taken a fair few months, a lot of cash and so far the return hasn't balanced the books. Just the petrol alone is a killer at the moment, plus you have to factor in if you lose some of the birds, we live in hawk country and have lost some already when training. It costs to replace the logans if you want quality birds. Competition is rising too, but I have to admit seeing the brides face is the best thing, they love it and that makes it worth while, if I ever get to make any money on this little venture it will be amazing