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and do you know whats worst the telephone ringing to hear someone say ive got a pigeon of yours 100 mile away n you only lost it round the loft the buggers know how to fly.

how the hell has pigeon racing survived up to today the technology didnt exist years ago . O.K YOU SAY THEY ARE ONLY BABIES, yet mature enough to breed? you probably has a car to train them 3 times a week say 20 mile plus , so how the hell did they do in years gone bye when they trained pigeons by bicicle 5 mile 10 mile . who cut the strings ???????????????????/ was watching a lib today when mobile aftrer mobile was going off .

hi i just bought in two indian fantails for droppers they are great clap like hell till they land but get birds used to them first , n these were of a top drawer showman, thourghly recomend them above your normal fantails

well folks you pays your money n you take a chance everyone knew the forecast thats why birdages were low take a look at your top flyers did they send ??????????? well get on with slagging the convoyer if it makes you feel good THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THOSE BIRDS THAT HAVE MADE IT WILL GO ON TO FOUND A BETTER LOFT ........ and be truthfull to yourself and any one else who reads this were your birds sent 100% fit no i think not otherwise they would have made it , too much mollycoddling n thats the reason people are starting with 50,60,80,100, youngsters because they faall like flies, sorry just give up at the first hurdle......

returns from racing from retford today what were they like ?

its nice to read mr s wilcoxs praises on pipa site and i qoute (READERS MAY BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THAT 1ST NATIONAL POITERS IN ENGLAND WAS A GRAND DAUGHTER OF B964605752 NADINE WHO IN TURN IS A GRAND DAUGHTER OF LAURAAT BARCELONA) and the apple never falls far from the tree BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well folks i leave for work at 7am and give them a feed nothing more till return from race i get home on fridays at 3.30pm on the last 8 races birds have been gagging for a drink on return and not trapping at all even to the point of wandering round the garden sucking grass

well true back garden because not all could be bothered to tell them the fact they still trade is a testament cosidering the amount of flyers there is. CHRISSY .. IS IT BETTER TO BUY CHEAP REJECTS OR EXPENSIVE ONES? you are asking for advice ? you got too much money.

then in that case how many birds does stu wilcocx carry /stock against results and visa versa for loella , the point been it is the law of averages , a very difficult game to play , but then who is gunna deliver the day after tommorow,

and is it not loella that predomantly buy lock stock n barrell

hi folks i strongly beleive that my birds as well as others are not getting at water on race days several reasons , what i want to know is about pumping them with water on a friday b4 they go can this be done and how help appreciated,

well swilcox you have just blown the inbreeding theory right out of the water not to mention the fact that you honestly beleive that all pigeons have to be bred out of champions to be worthy dear dear where as thou been searching. just remind fanciers on this forum please how jester and carrie came about and what they have produced, and what m+d evans say about these birds £99 pound for 6 loella with no gaurentee how much for 6 of yours ? and are they gaurenteed??

well me two penneth loella created a niche in the market cheap pigeons available almost straight away and been bred down from the best performing birds on the planet or lofts there is no denial to this, if you wanted pedigrees you pay for them but it is the law of averages that something will come good and when those birds do come good what price do the owners put on them ? loella supply to demand and to think i was only a few quid behind them dreams, and also it is good place to start for novices cheap n cheerfull to learn the ropes before they get there hands bit off , and just remember a good pigeonman can race a pigeon , any tom dick n harry with a loose wallet can home a pigeon.......

feed a hose from a two stroke engine with a good oil/petrol mix feed hose down hole/holes block others up get ready with a spade watch the btsardsa move engine of exhaust ie strimmer/ lawnmower or chainsaw guaranteed.

somewhere this thread lost the point . AND THE POINT BEEN BIRDS WITH LESS THAN MEDIOCRE RESULTS ARE BEEN ADVERTISED SOLD ON THIS SITE. fair enough individuals selling there own birds to down size etc. but regardless of donations due to selling pigeons this is highly unethical ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,spare me i dont need the drivel or i would wear a bib, but there is too much crep out there with out adding to it.....................

welldone ( me ) think your reply is nail on the head we dont realy need people taking advantage of this site by selling pigeons as a gain fair enough the odd cock n hen pair here n there but not reguarly i browsed through some of the birds for sale not knocking the breeding or pedigrees but,,,,,,,,,,,,, the performances are les than average , and put them against the results of the up north combine and they are f33ing dismall 50th against 2000 32 against 1150 these birds arnt worthy of a perch........

yes i fully appreciate i lost time not just by going after the second pigeon but 3rd and the 4th pigeon as well n this was on a 50 mile race if i lost that was for me to deal with but i know in me heart where they lie n thats all that counts to me cos i aint selling pigeons, but ithink what may have got to them is knowing someonelse has won involuntarily,,,,,,,

my principle is if i have one or more birds drop together then i remove all rubbers first then place in thimbles and drop thm all in the clock consequivetly .how can you claim one bird was first if they all arrived together?? or the clock shows same time? my only argument was that if i was using ets then all birds would have recorded the same second /// but this nothing to do with ets .

thanx square peg my sentiments too have been checking open results now for last 4 weeks it is happening regular where a flyer has two birds with same aft/veloc in diff orgarnizations ie, up north ,mnfc,welsh open to name a few/////////////////

its the second time it has happened to me ,the fiirst time i clocked 3 birds 2on 44seconds 3rd on 46 seconds the secretary worked out diff velocities for each bird on the priniple one sec apart,,,,,,,,,,, all well n good cos i was a mile behind.. first young bird race yesterday clocked 4 birds 2on 44sec 1on 48 1on 50 still didnt win but where do i stand????

yes but do they carry the same velocity?/aft or shhould adjustments be made??

hi folks whats your oppiniopns on clocking two birds on the same second with a t3 how should the results work out ????????????