jim every body is entitled to there opinion and thats mineall the feds that were at selby and newark were up at 06.30 so they wouldnt have been that far of us when we got up plus there were several feds going south going into wales and southern england which are hard to avoid but as gareth said all the experainced birds are home so probablythe jump has something to do with it who knows but it was very eratic my own returns are up to 27/36 so there still struggling through cheers davie