to me it seems like some are scared of change which is understandable , many ppl are just not pc minded hence the saying ( thats the way its always been), our members are all on it i think, i couple had reservations about the system but since using it they have said its the way forward, i dont mind either way which system i use, using ets but still have 2 stb clocks in the house which are 3 way tested in case its needed john