Oh Hell Ian, grey cell's are doing overtime, birdage wise 1450 -1850, we have two full sister's that took awards racing as young bird's, they finished second & third in the East Midland region, another full sister also flew her sock's off, every week they were sent they always performed, always leading the winning batch, the cock's need to mature, they almost seem thick as ybs, flying as yearling's & two year old's they just go on & on, I let the sumo hen out over my head last winter, living in a horse shoe of wood's, thought that was the last I would see of her, she had never been out before, she was gone for about 3 hour's, any way she came back landed on the loft, I opened up old stall trap, called her down, in she went without any hesitation, she is a very special bird and we have been more than lucky to have her, no other bird's flying out, had too many hawk problem's, we fly from my partner's.