Roland

Well I can't see that gal, but who knows...

If you could get your birds to break and come inland at Grimsby / Humber bridge you'll do blumming well, marvellous in fact! Good luck.

Yorkshire ... East coast now, they will be flying out over the coast line, Even out at sea a mite, regardless of the East Coast boys saying 'Our birds always come out of the West' lol...

Ed Bourque that is the beauty of hopper feeding they won't get overwieght, they won't over eat and use that give of natural that looks after their welfare. 17% protien, no more needed, is mostly about right.

Minden eh ... my Father - in - law was a RSM there in the late sixties to mid seventies.

If not money, decent friends, and if you start doing well they quickly dry up and a batcth of excuses of why they can't is the only help your get. See many, indeed too many pack up racing partly for this reason. Which brings back the very esence of what one often hears. 'You'll have to train / work harder to compete with the .... Does this mean that a penniless stockman is going to A. Beat a equeally good stockman that has a few bob? or that that stockman does work his socks of and spend time and effort to compete at the highest level. To believe that is rather silly to say the least. Of course he does. But wind and location are an even bigger asset to those that have been and are able to move - like so very many - to prime locations. Mind we can all live with that... but the bigger picture is that many the 'Haves' and their cliques still want every and all lea way their can muster, and when it is pointed out you are a whinger and a moaner, for speaking the truth! Like me I whinged for England according to a certain sauce.... For stating that I wish to, and believe it only fair to be hadicapped for using the decisive more beneficial ET than those not - for any reason - aren't able! Strange I have ben the only one so far ever in this so - called sport that agree with that. But then I am a fair minded and decent sportsman.

Thanks Mick, in a nut shell what I have been spouting for the last 8 months. So no politician is going to stick hois neck out, and that can be taken to the bank. Ps. That or similar, has been put up many time to no avail.

Personally, I liked the East Route when we again flew it ... through Foot and Mouth. Off course the wind didn't suit certain locations of a certain few and their locations.BHW was bombarded with the still wet soggy letters from those that believe it was / in their right to have their' cake and eat others. Germany, Russia even lol. A thousand miler to Moscow eh! Now that would be something, but of course wil never happen. Wondering though - in light of the recent outbreaks in Germany of Avian Flu their thinking and if they have any restrictions imposed. Would appear they haven't then, which is good and sensible.

Have even banded an Euro MP whose father was a well known fancier, and asking he if could help in any way that he would be only too pleased to do so ... I was the ONLY person that put any houghts and ideas to hoim. So Though Expat! I in retrospect I take back my last post and see it being made tongue in cheek and have recieved that as such. Soss

why the hell that should make me happy only a mind like yours Expat! could figure ... Personally I am all in favour of Distance racing and from any direction. Indeed NO ONE slogged harder than me to keep it going last season's close! And I went and see, contacted more... still that will be just more spillage on clothe ears...!

Exactly.... to bolster the East coast clubs coffers ... or those above around Nottingham .... Lourth eh! And they class them as a 'Long Distance bird when winning either the Section and / or the National. Guess all round Lincoln would be a decent Location. But you may have a good bird.... you've done you wing, whim and a prayer, let's hope your 'Hopes' pay off. Mind I'm sorry to say my money won't be on you...

Lol

Well I can't for the life of me believe for a moment that Andy would be intentionally not allowed access. Time that was put right if that is indeed the case.

Expat! what you say in '... I said if Defra Pass it that pigeons can continue to race over in france, Then the BICC does not require any permits fron Spain to race in the International Races, and this is correct, unless you know something about the organisations over here that i do not' That is true, of course it is, and if the Bull had had udders we'd milk it! BUT DAFRA have said no.... end of story, and you can write, email till your blue in the face, but until they release their stance we aren't going nowhere. And as soon as ANY body / concern has new data that may put Avian Flu in a different picture or light regarding pigeons then DAFRA and Peter Bryant will know within a very short space of time in deed.

Bruno that be as it may, but DAFRA have to consider two things, one the threat, real or imaginary ad act accordingly. Secondarily, the public opinion and their’ votes. Either way, regardless of he rot Expat! spukes out, NO party can over ride DAFRA, they are the voice of parliament in this regards. Now whether we agree, or not is another matter, but BICC or any international party or government can over turn, or even side step DAFRA. To speak as Expat1 does is ludicrous to say the least. Further Peter Bryant has ALL the facts, relevant or not, and must play the cards dealt as he sees fit. I have umpteen letters etc. from MP.s and EMP's as you and many more may recall, and lets face the facts, what DAFRA says goes... or don't. Golly we’ll have Crufts telling the MOD where to send the planes next lol.

The flyers have to be up to the plate and on the ball to win that. great ...

The European Parliment states quite clearly that any and every member has the right to protect their shores / borders any way and as they see fit. Hence DAFRA as this goverment's legal bodies has far over reaching powers than club / coher country or concerns, that should be quite simply to relate to and understand. If every market member flies willy nilly but DAFRA say no to us, then to put it simply 'Then it's No'. We, the RPRA has no redress, nor any valid clause, channel other than to apply. That is simple reality. I would also say that Peter has his lines open to sauces all over the world in the regards of Avian Flu, it's merits and myths and personally believe hehas done a first class job. No one or concern would have, or could hae done better or more.

But what has come out of this is he very simple face that those who will have it say that it is their legal right and imply, hope that that is the end all and be all. What the fail to grasp is that both sides of the coin have an ligit argument. And Mick what the RPRA did was Fals and illegal. Not what clubs / Feds are proposing. As for me, being a fair mind and honest chappie, I will be only too pleased to give any and every manual clocker 15 seconds or so, and wouldn't regard that as an Handicap at all! Agree Sapper ... just to finish on who ever said that '.... that Organisations were imposing illegal time penalties.' as Mick implies. Surely that is another democratic choice that members are allowed to put into place! Personally I can't stir this pot any more, so will be out seeking a not pot I guess ...

How can it be a free choice when a large % can't have it, whether through the loft location or because they can't afford it! Freedom of choice has never ben a item or a pratice in this country and any quick dabble in history will prove that. Why history shows only too well that we are a nation of acceptors and have a ingrained belief their are and is and always will be a law for one and a law for another. tThe haves and Have not' and the Have can because it is their right! Look at our colonies and history, and at our own back door, so just where and better still when is this this freedom suppose to conmence, or did we all miss it waiting to our birds in! Freedom of Speech, go and ge on a soap box and be took notice of.... media soon wipe that notion off any ones face. We are go.... never mind I take it that it is just another silly saying that people report because they have heard it so often before and just don't understand there is no justifacation in it whatsoever... why I doubt sincerely Expat1 that you in reality haven't the foggiest notion of what you have spelt out and actually stated!

Like I say, that is far far bigger birdage than 90% of our so called Nationals.

. Well silly petty cracks like that are just what has and does lets this hobby down so badly. Don't get your own way you resort to childish and pathetic crap. Of course things need to improve, or progress no one has ever raised a point against that … but at what cost?! I know, it don't matter a long as you get your own way. Progress! Just look at the atrocities laid at that door, Living in the world of dot next.... where rape and perverts were sorted, and thadmidalide babies, at what cost, and just what makes one think that because it suits them it MUST be better for all! Could list a 100 easy, of so call progress that has cost million dear, but then that would go by your heads too. No one is against ET's it is about time that many were mindful of the costs that may well follow. And of course 'If they were packing up they would anyway, so they blame the ET's' crap. Thousands are packing up and thousands have, and why, for two main reason, they voices are ridiculed when not ignored, and far too many keep give too much to too few! But then again it is progress this 'Bugger you Jack I'm alright' eh! If you want ET fine, just get on and have it.... But stop bleating about it, or is that over a guilty conscious.... Yep I guess so.... except those that genuinely couldn't give a rat’s *expletive removed*

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have a bird, a red chequer that has never above once homed on the day from under 40 miles - he's now 7, but only one night out in a race, second day Pau 625. Though Lerwicke etc. he timed on day of course.

Codswallop and that is a fact! The whole fancy over countless years has show a far different face than that. Seems the Belges are smirking from their brown ring, yes and brown around their mouth, and seems to be just spouting to impress some ‘want to be ins’ AND HANGERS ONS’! Any one with an ounce of knowledge of this sport in this country knows different, and you should have had the decency and metal to stand up and say so!! Yes the plebes that have been short changed and manipulated in ever way and which, that is another fact. And yet they come back season in and season out to compete, even when the 'Playing Field' has been just an up hill slog. Why? because it is, and has been, the very essence of their love of their' pigeons, and this sport, with a whim and a prayer, and distant - unattainable dreams - that has kept this sport going! Not the Feather merchants with an Angle, not the unfair boundaries, or the blatant pee taking sections - that has ruin any decent Nationals, let alone internationals, and still the so called elitists want and have more sway. Why do you think the grass roots of the hobby have endured till now? Not by the win at all cost brigade, nor the ' I have - you haven't brigade', and definitely not the braggers and exploiters of this fine sport. No, they are tolerated full stop! Yes they have their creepers, and cliques that pout up to them, and they all practice the ole silly crap scenario's of 'Try Harder, instead of moaning get up and do it'! As if those at the top are, or their workers aren't, so that is a crap scenario! The 'Jealousy' crap. Just what has the working plebe that works his 40 odd hours and spends what time he can juggle funds with family / Mortgage / kids etc. got to do with the 'Have' and more affluent! Certainly not jealousy! They can't be jealous of what they have never had, or even likely to get! - Though the 'Haves' do put a star in the sky to aim for.... for just one in a while, a blue moo, or between 'Haley's Comet' they do well. -Indeed considering locations often do better than the 'Haves'. No it is the banter and friendly rivalry at the club, the leg pulling and being happy in their' own small world. It is the Haves that keep tempting them out to try - to do this - etc. And why? Well you can put your last little quiddy on it NOT being for their benefit. They are happy as they are! And I for one have no intention what so ever of gain any ADVANTAGE real or imaginary! That is why I won't have an ET - unless it is acceptable to the WHOLE club! Just look at the National! A joke when feds and Combines are sending more birds each week! And why? Again to keep the ‘Cliques Boys’ happy with the corridor politics and because of the exploitations of Blatant unfair sections that have cater for the few, and the grass roots being expected to bolster their Coffers! The reality is that 70% to 80% don’t even bother with the National! And why? What to keep the ‘Cliques Boys’ happy with the corridor politics, and hangers on and because of the exploitations of Blatant unfair sections that have cater for the few, and the grass roots being expected to bolster their Coffers! That is where and why the apathy starts and is in the rank and files, because of the silly talk like above quoted and said as if to impress! Belges birds, I’ve given away pairs bred from the VERY best in belge, and that’s another fact. The ET isn’t, and never was brought in to serve the Plebes, let alone the odd handicapped person. More for the Money angle and from the ‘Gain a head start at any cost’ brigade, and well you all know it! They have been able to use them for training purposes etc. for yonks, and every reason used to get it passed till that illegal codswallop of Discrimination! If any fair minded and decent person was genuine about the ET they would be for a 15 Sec handicap and 5 sec there after. And just to finish on, the Belgies are so clever and smart etc. THAT they can’t even get it passed to be legal in their National races…. Now there IS a question that needs an answer, so much for their voice, seems to me they’d be better putting their own house in order before trying disdainfully to smirk at us. And No Expat1, we wouldn’t be a laughing stock, but once again like in the 1999 survey pointed out over the ETs we are the ones again putting forward sensible and just concerns! Never mind Bully for us and Tough crap to you’!