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Course oatmeal 2lb milk 4 tablespoons salt 1 tablespoon Sugar 3 tablespoons Cod-l-oil 2 tablespoons Calcium fortified tablets2 Vitamin tablets crushed 6 this was many years ago, and was Stan Bishops (old hand)views on what to use in conjunction with a all bean feeding regime, although peanuts /oilseed fed at right time would do just as well for distance racing, wheat germ oil mixed with rolled oats etc turning them golden brown for a few days before would do the business as well.

Some times money certainly helps .... Blackburn bought the title like others - Chelsea nd Man U. etc. That is the difference I feel a lot of the time. A great name 'Martin O'Neil' and Harry Rednapp, Big Sam do well - though Spurs are the 2nd riches owner - following in the foot steps of Brian Clough. But money alone is not enough. Needs a lot of cogs today to cog together i believe. Jock Stein and Walter Smith with even era and Money would have peoduced great side here I believe. Ofcourse like other great Scottish managers I.e. Tom Docherty, Shankley, Daglish - not my favourite BUT favourite player ete. etc. So the talent is there - some git who must be rated as an all time great called Fergie or sommat ;D. And great players both side of the borders. Yet I personally feel that the scots, are great individuals and never team player. Hearts on sleeves and run in to the ground. So if the money was there, would it be 8 + foriegners - like Arsenal etc - in their teams?

I went with some out of town friends to Sweety Pies on Sunday for breakfast, and we sat in the enclosed patio section beside the house. We happened to notice a couple of zip lock baggies pinned to a post and a wall. The bags were half filled with water, each contained 4 pennies, and they were zipped shut. Naturally we were curious! Ms Sweety told us that these baggies kept the flies away! So naturally we were even more curious! We actually watched some flies come in the open window, stand around on the window sill, and then fly out again. And there were no flies in the eating area! This morning I checked this out on Goggle. Below are comments on this fly control idea. I'm now a believer! Zip-lock water bags Sue says: Many people swear that a zip-lock bag filled half-way with water and attached over entry-ways will repel flies. No one yet knows how or why it works, but there is speculation that it has something to do with the way the moving water refracts light. If you have tried this please use the comments form at the bottom of the page to share your results with the rest of us. Ann Says: October 5th, 2008 at 5:51 pm I did tried the ziplock bag and pennies this weekend. I have a horse trailer with full LQ. The flys were very bad this weekend while I was camping. I put the baggie with pennies above the door of the LQ. NOT ONE FLY came in the trailer. The horse trailer parthad many. Not sure why it works but it does!!!!!!! Danielle Martin Says: September 20th, 2008 at 8:43 pm Fill a ziplock bag with water and 5 or 6 pennies and hang it in the problem area. In my case it was a particular window in my home. It had a slight but significant passage way for insects. Every since I have done that, it has kept flies and wasps away. Some say, that wasps and flies mistake the bag for some sort of other insect nest and are threatened by this. Maggie Says: June 7th, 2009 at 11:40 am I swear by the plastic bag of water trick I have them on side porch ( our house entry) and all around the basement door. We saw these in Northeast Mo at an Amish grocery store & have used them since. They say it works because a fly sees a reflection & won't come around. Just DJ Says: May 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pm Regarding the science behind zip log bags of water? My research found that each of the millions of molecules of water presents its own prism effect and given that flies have a lot of eyes, to them it's like a zillion disco balls reflecting light, colors and movement in a dizzying manner. When you figure that flies are basically prey for many other bugs, animals, birds, etc., they simply won't take the risk of being around that much perceived action. I moved to a rural area and thought these "hillbillies" were just yanking my city boy chain but I tried it, worked immediately! We went from hundreds of flies to seeing the occasional one, but he don't hang around long.

Just to set the record straight, before any slats might start pointing fingers or mislaying blame. I believe that Bob will confirm that any and every time we have emailed / p.med each other it has always been in a gentlemanly and respectful manner. indeed in his last pm to me he thanked me for being open, honest and above board and enlightening. Which is how I like to think every pm I've ever sent is, and was, and further more will be. Fine to disagree, but not to be disagreeable eh!.

Thanks gentlemen. I feel that my point has been well and truely made. Obviously some may wish to carry this mindless bitching for their own purposes and agenda. Let them get on with it. I myself wish to concentrate on more research. More probing worthwhile aspect and anything that can, or will enhance any progress in this plight of ours. Further I wish to appolige for my silly and disrespectful behavior on this site to all members especially the Mods, and others that like me, just want what is best regardless how attained. But I stand by every word. Have a clear conscience and know I am with others working for the good of the majority and worthwhile genuine fanciers. The other don't deserve a mention, and as such I won't even recognised their existance. Thanks again for your support of the truth.

Very good. a little lighter, but nothing a few days feed and rest, piddling about picking in the garden, won't put right.

One home... a smile at last lol.

Yes, but the reality is simple in this regards. Pigeons used to time in well from lerwick riddled with ailment and canker etc. etc. From 96 miles they could walk part of it and still home easy.

Some, others not.

Healthy Pete? Yes, corky and firm like tennis balls. Tight feathered and silky as satin. Beating me home as a batch and full of flying. Eating like no tomorrow... as soon as they started to mave away from the feed, it was removed. Clean fresh water etc.

Yes, is getting a bit too personal I'd agree. But then - in my oppinion is the unwarrented vendetta of tarnishing good members of the P.O.B who are a honest and good intensional body endeavouring to help, not only the 'Pigeon fanciers' but the wild birds as well. the insinuations, in fact down right untruths did I feel - rightly or wrongly I just had to reply to. The mere fact that it would be totally ignored should have been a part of my 'Mind set' as they have proved, if nothing else, their own aimless agenda to disrupt and pour scorn on these fine people regardless. Certainly not in the interests of the forum, and certainly not in any way shape or form for the betterment of our dying sport and it's Plight of the B.O.P. I hope this helps to clear my views and integrity. I want nothing for my self. Definately not fame, nor fortune. I've all the fame I can handle, and a little that is plenty is more than suplus.

Mate 23 out of 24 within 10 minutes from 9 : 20, but he is flying out of his skin. Club phone me at 11 O'Clock to ask if i was on my way...

Let’s be truthful here. Here why do I get peeved off? Here is why I rise to these senseless and vindictive actions, posts by so - called fanciers. Yes by these persons against any endeavours to help our plight! Well when trying to get members for a committee I was in contact by very many of you. I took everything aboard what I thought was good and implemented it where possible and feasible. Much of course is still stored and able to be tapped into if and as when wanted or needed. One example here and oh so very true. One thing I’m not and that’s a two – face, nor do I lie… unless to the wife, and that’s called self – presentation. A certain member on our forum P.med me a few time and long story short over a period of days we actually spoke for some time late on a Tuesday night. First of was on about Barnsley where the peregrines are nesting on the ground etc. He wanted to help in any and every way he could zand was full of advice. He urged me to be very cautious. Stated over and over again, that what ever I did, or the P.O.B decided, to remain annominous was imperative at all costs and at all times. He told me of many experiences he’d had personally, and several of his friend’s, with the RSPB and of their’ dirty tricks. THESE ranged from police raids with the RSPB leading them. Loft raids where they went through the lofts with tooth and comb. How they fitted people up that even dared to stand up to them How they’d on more than one occasion actually raided him, but he wouldn’t allow them in to his premises unless he had his solicitor, representative, and witness’s present, which he claimed many wouldn’t realise that was the legal way forward. Therefore as such they never came back with warrents etc. etc. Further in informed me, that they couldn’t legally just turn up and inspect willy – nilly. He went on about how families were and had been followed. Loved ones intimidated and threatened. Warned me that the RSPB had a very nasty fringe that thought they were above the law, and the law was just for them! Further this gentleman assured me the list was endless and nasty, that at all costs, NEVER be deceived into thinking about letting anyone’s name being known, let alone become public. He cited court cases where genuine people had been fitted up with Peregrines / Hawks etc. B.O.P were found in Dust Bins and at loft locations. He has, he assured me, even Media / paper cuttings of the dirty trick antics. one where the judge had thrown out the RSPB claims in false prosecutions. Has other press cuttings of further dirty tricks the RSPB and their nasty fringe mob did and would do etc. etc. etc. Fortunately his wife put his dinner on the table and made him come of the phone to eat it. His parting words were ‘Trust no one and don’t ever let any one know who you are, because believe me they will make life hell for you, TRUST ME! Guessed who it was yet!? Well I listened and put it in bed alongside much other thoughts and aspects. I also felt that the proven track record of the fickleness of people, especially those you are trying to help. I knew certain members would be constantly spitting in to our tent. ESPECIALLY those rejected as committee members. Names coming to the fore yet? This one fancier offered birds – Shadows they were I believe, which I didn’t know about. Besides then, and as now the P.O.B wasn’t able to take any donations etc. money as an account hadn’t been set up. OF COURSE we know the importance of not only doing what’s right but seen to be doing so! This member, yes the one that was all for us, who bade us urgently never to reveal sauces or who's names needed to be protected at all costs, then started to pee in our tent! Guessed who Yet! Yes ‘WHITE LOGAN’ Yes the very one posting as such below- will copy and paste if needed. Indeed even from weeks back.. Is it any wonder now why he pees me and others off… ? Can you wonder in the least why he was a non-enmity regards being a committee member! Let alone a satellite to bounce ideas off even! Yes like I say a SAD case. Did he ever bother to read the first part of the reality article he flays into! One which obviously referred to him with other such like. the ‘Pee in the tent mob’. Obviously not! Yet keeps the senseless spouting of same dribble. Yes every post he fabricates has already been dealt with in that very first post! Just keeps slinging mud eh, some will stick syndrome. Obviously he- and others - have an ‘Agenda’ and it certainly isn’t in the interests of our pigeon fancier, nor the plight we all face with the B.O.P This is the man now deriding the P.O.B and stating crap like Secret Societies’, calling for their names to be made known! Why…. You tell me!

Sent 16... all I had... lost 16. Yes Mick Bowler your probably right. After 50 odd years around pigeons I know you never stop learning - must have had too much luck in past, instead of knowledge and the Good Lady is taking some back. The stock I bought in from very good national winners, and good fanciers that have let me have some do well with them. So I thing your rightas there is still none home. The £20 of rings on the legs are not important. They are winged stamped. Would take and Axe and Saw and fell, cut up some wood and fill the loft up. By in summer rate coal and store it .... but am feel if i do, I might want to start again next season or so etc. ET clock stil not used lol.

Just to say white Logan, you have nothing to spout new. Everything you spout again and again is and has already been dealt with and if you can just read the first post on this topic again it is all there for you and such ilk to do just as you feel. Grab the mud and sling, you've run your course again to no avail. Every inuendo and slant via you is and has been covered and why. End of. A really sad man :B :( :B

Pontefract. Yep I'm gutted too. Thought 'At last I'll have a few tested yearlings - lightly raced - for next year and 10 two / three year olds'. Sunny days Yearling and Cocks birds for Middle hardish races and some hens for the real races. Distance or hard.

None back yet. Feeling sorry for me self ... But do have some great stockbirds... which seems silly to say as I haven't any of their youngster. :-/

Repetition, nothing new to spout! ... with fingers in ears no doubt lol ;D ;D ;D

He wanted you to buy it :-/

Being sillier than ever if possible lol :) ;D ;D

Exactly lenwadebob, and you have, and are showing the decency of allowing others to da as they wish and not trying to belittle or thawt others progress. Like I said to you, you are sharp enough to know what is what and have respect, unlike some sad folks. Yes I would keep in for three years if I was cutting my nose off to spite my face. If the whole lot of us that agreed to it actually did it, that would me 50 people tops first couple of weeks and then as people realised that in it's self, 4 weeks later they'd be 5 - 8 of us. hardly make a dent that lenwadebob. Fine by me if you get a following crowd to do that, count me in. Unlike some sad folks on here, I actual am one that puts up or shuts up.

:) Sad :( ;D ;D ;D And I'm oh so truthful eh! ;D ;D

WHY the COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE A DC airport ticket agent offers some examples of 'why' our country is in trouble! 1.I had a New Hampshire Congresswoman (Carol Shea-Porter) ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn't get messed up by being near the window. (On an airplane!) 2.I got a call from a Kansas Congressman's (Moore) staffer (Howard Bauleke), who wanted to go to Capetown. I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, and then he interrupted me with, ''I'm not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts '' Without trying to make him look stupid, I calmly explained, '' Cape Cod is in Massachusetts , Capetown is in Africa '' His response -- click. 3. A senior Vermont Congressman (Bernie Sanders) called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that's not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state. He replied, "Don't lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state!'' (OMG) 4. I got a call from a lawmaker's wife (Landra Reid) who asked, ''Is it possible to see England from Canada ?'' I said, ''No.'' She said, ''But they look so close on the map.'' (OMG, again!) 5.An aide for a cabinet member (Janet Napolitano) once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas . I pulled up the reservation and noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas . When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ''I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time.'' (Aghhhh) 6.An Illinois Congresswoman (Jan Schakowsky) called last week. She needed to know how it was possible that her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 a.m., and got to Chicago at 8:33 a.m. I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn't understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went fast, and she bought that. 7. A New York lawmaker, (Jerrold Nadler) called and asked, ''Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?'' I said, 'No, why do you ask?' He replied, ''Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I'm overweight. I think that's very rude!'' After putting him on hold for a minute, while I looked into it. (I was dying laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno , Ca. is (FAT - Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on his luggage.. 8. A Senator John Kerry aide (Lindsay Ross) called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii . After going over all the cost info, she asked, ''Would it be cheaper to fly to California and then take the train to Hawaii ?'' 9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman, Bobby Bright (D) from Ala who asked, ''How do I know which plane to get on?'' I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ''I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.'' 10. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D) called and said, ''I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida . Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?'' I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola , FL on a commuter plane. She said, ''Yeah, whatever, smarty!'' 11. Mary Landrieu (D) La. Senator called and had a question about the documents she needed in order to fly to China. After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded her that she needed a visa. 'Oh, no I don't. I've been to China many times and never had to have one of those.'' I double checked and sure enough, her stay required a visa. When I told her this she said, ''Look, I've been to China four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!'' 12. A New Jersey Congressman (John Adler) called to make reservations, ''I want to go from Chicago to Rhino, New York .'' I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ''Are you sure that's the name f the town?'' Yes, what flights do you have?'' replied the man. Ater some searching, I came back with, ''I'm sorry, sir, I've looked up every airport code in the country and can't find a rhino anywhere." ''The man retorted, ''Oh, don't be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check your map!'' So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ''You don't mean Buffalo , do you?'' The reply? ''Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.'' Now you know why the Government is in the shape that it's in! Could anyone be this DUMB? YES, THEY WALK AMONG US, ARE IN POLITICS, AND THEY CONTINUE TO BREED. I don't write it, I just offer it for your consideration. Like manure, you just gotta spread it around.

Sad, it's so sad. You are so sad white logan, and predicable. Indeed you and your silly little in crowd. Might be the best thing since slice bread keeping birds in! Might even be better to drop a atom bomb on their' head quarters... But it won't happen which is something even you must realise. But bleat on. Would be nice for you to wake up and smell the coffee.... Sorry you have and don't like the smell I know. So you will nip at the heels in a senile stupidity spouting dreams of an ideal world where fairies bring honey and chocolate is brought home by the white doves of peace. Even you are not that stupid -- well :-/ but then again this is what you're about isn't it. It doesn't suit your' clichés' purpose and true goals does it! Show and make a start. Be a leader and set an example... you keep your birds in for 2 - 3 years. If you have any! There we have it! Two spouters wanting to their' keep the birds in .... but won't because others won't lol. Sad jokes who are suceeding - unfortunately via me - in gaining their goal in as much as disrupting and stifflng any genuine eforts by good and genuine people that are trying help, to actually do something. So I for one won't bother answering to have beens that never were. This time I mean it, because you have been judged, accessed and found wanting... So no need to answer s there ;D.

Well as many may recall, I've had a right shower of bad luck and what not over the last three / four seasons or so. Started with introducing new stock. That’s when CR$P came down the shoot big time. So what with one thing or another I struggled to stay interested, focused, and replaced all my old family. A new learning curve re – learnt was / is painful remembering much that later we take for granted, like you have to know your birds to take any liberties. Like no 35 miles first chuck perhaps. Any way I bred 40 youngsters. Lost many off the top. Started to train, real slow. Soon down to 16 youngsters. Then two chucks where the youngster hit torrential rain big time from 25 miles. But they came through it well as one. Picking days I progressed. Till I got 2 x 50-mile tosses this past week and they were coming a treat, 16 banging home as one. Indeed I told Joyce these were as good a batch as I've ever possibly had. Certainly in numbers as to the odd few we build upon. First time in 4 years I’ve been interested in pigeons and first week where I haven't wanted to pack up each day. I’d left the ET in box till this week never even bothered to open it … Mind wouldn’t have used it till all club members were using it as I won’t / don’t want unfair advantages. Yes that is how I have felt every day. Not getting any buzz or interest, feeling it was a waste of time and not even wanting to race. Only the thought that I'd know down the line I'd want them again stopped me getting shot of them all. Still they rested and lazed around Friday. So was happy going to the club, but said nothing of course but was actually looking forward to timing in and using the ET timer I had had set up in the week. It was just a 96 miler, a decent start and wing opener. Up at 6 50 and I force my self out of bed and set up the ET in the loft ready. Wasn’t really worried for a change later about going toilet or making a cuppa lol 9 0 ' Clock came and nary a sausage. 12 :30 same, not a feather. 3 : 30 nothing and I was off to London to do a fund – raiser. Got home early hours and checked me loft…. Nothing! Now here we next day, nary a feather, and I am well and truly peeved of in the highest degree … sorry not just disappointed but really deflated. Grumpy with Joyce and shouldn’t be, grand kids seem to be coming out of the woodwork, Missed all the World athletics so far and like a bear with a sore head. I know that’s pigeons! Mind to get shot and fill the lofts up with coal and wood for the winter. There! Now do I feel any better getting that of my chest? No!